Andrew, please setup a forum somewhere and continue the debate there. That way 59 people will be better off.
Le 9 D�cembre 2002 16:09, vous avez �crit : > Let's consider your math... > > 1) Only ~10 people respond, of what I'm told is a member list of ~60. 10 / > 60 = 1/6th of population. > > 2) None of those who don't support the forum idea have given any reputable > rebutal to issues raised - it amounts to "I'd have to login...", or "I'm > quite comfortable just using email". Personal preference from people who > have little if any experience with forums... > > This indicates neither majority nor full consideration of topic at hand. > > Am I trying to sell you/CLUG a forum? This wasn't my idea in the first > place - I carried it over from the meeting this past Wednesday. Heck, the > forum I mentioned was phpBB - a free forum. More likely the question is > 'Are you sure you just aren't afraid of change' or at least adding > something to the mix that could be just as productive as the mailing list? > Because all I see is me supporting the idea of having a forum while getting > flamed by fearmongers and the occasional troll. > > Fractioning the group? If there's only ~10 active people, I hardly call it > CLUG. Nevermind that most new people aren't familiar with mailing lists, > but forums are easier to understand... > > I see you miss the point of the web app - the user base is increasing, and > they aren't getting smarter. Revolt all you want against it in your self > righteous fashion, but at least understand why the world will pass you by. > > I'm fighting because no rebutal of quality has been given, and I see one or > two in support with a tag line of "please don't flame me". Maybe you > should consider why they'd say that rather then ask me to stop because you > have nothing to offer. > > Thank you for coming out - little more prep on your part next time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jesse Kline [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 9:46 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: (clug-talk) Website and Forum? > > Quoting Andrew Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I've seen responses from roughly 7 other people - I hardly consider that > > a consensus. > > Well at least someones keeping count. There has not been a vote on the > issue so > sure I cannot give you any numbers, what I can say is that most people > posting > on this thread have said that it is a bad idea or that they will not use > it. People posting to this thread make up a good portion of the posts to > this list. > Conclusion: people are not going to use it. > > > Secondly, there is no proof that a question takes longer to answer on a > > forum - NONE. Pardon, but I'm getting irritated with responding to the > > same > > comment that has no basis in fact much less experience. > > Sure here's an example: 1) I'll check my e-mail to see if there are any > messages > from CLUG Talk/family/friends. Oh look someone needs help, and I know the > answer. 2) Hey maybe I'll head over to calgary.linux.ca and see if there > are any > new posts on the forum. I guess while I have my web browser loaded I might > as > well look at porn instead. An hour later: screw the forum, if they want > something they can post to the list. > And yes, I have already read 5 or 6 e-mails from you today defending > forums. Are > you trying to sell us a forum or something? > > > Third, how does increasing the viewability and functionality of a support > > communication take away from helping? Most visibility == more exposure; > > More exposure == more people helping... > > It's not about increasing viewability, it's about adding another way to > communicate, and we don't need another way to communicate because it will > just > fraction the group and it will be that much harder to get any support at > all. > > > Fourth, I want to read a topic but I'd like it organized rather then > > helter > > > skelter in my email folder. Filters don't tell me what's worth reading > > and > > > what isn't - I do. > > I don't even use filters. If you don't want to read something there is a > handy > little delete button on your keyboard. > > > Fifth, sticking to email solely because you have used it in the past is > > no legitimate response either. I've been away until now so I couldn't > > reply to > > what is claimed to be "benefits" of email. > > Not because I have used it in the past. Because it was designed for a > certain > purpose. And it does what it is supposed to do very well, and it's a > standard. > Putting things on the web does not improve them, in fact most of the time > the > web app. is just trying to emulate the features of an internet protocol > that is > already there and working well. Why learn how to use a new BB or get a > headache > from Java applets that won't load when I can use standards like e-mail and > IRC > instead. > > > The point is *you* made up your mind, not everyone else. But thanks for > > letting us know. > > I just want to end the thread because I can see that people will not use > the forum and I'm still not sure why you are fighting so hard to get one. > But thanks > for coming out. > > Jesse
