On November 5, 2004 13:41, Jarrod Major wrote:
> > is it time to put the monolithic presentation to bed, excepting
> > exceptional circumstances where we get Big Names in or what-have-you, and
> > instead design around a more fluid, socially-driven style?
>
> Thank you for your zeal in this matter Aaron. The Executive will decide
> what is put to bed and when.

then i fear you may have begun to forget the purpose of the Executive.

> I have already stated that we are discussing 
> this. We have heard your comments and we are in deliberations over them and
> all the comments that other people have made. 

i reserve my right, and that of others, to continue to discuss these and other 
CLUG related issues. is it creating too much off-topic noise on the list? are 
people's feelings getting hurt here? i don't see the rational for what 
appears to be an attempt at censorship.

> This kind of statement is
> counter-productive and quashes anyone else out there who may think that big
> presentations are a good idea.

how is an open question to the list quashing anything? a question is an 
opportunity, indeed an INVITATION, for replies, answers and further dialogue.

even though i didn't originally propose such a free form, socially-driven 
approach, as others have offered their viewpoints it has become apparent to 
me that this is an approach that at least some would like to see. that was 
the whole point of putting this topic "out there": to get dialogue going to 
find something that works for THE GROUP. not the Executive. not me. the 
GROUP.

i do not consider this to be an Executive matter at all, actually. this is a 
matter for the group. the board's role is, IMHO, to further dialogue, gather 
the results of that dialogue, attempt to measure what the general consensus 
is based on that dialogue and then execute that consensus.

this does not mean getting everyone to agree, but it does mean having a lot of 
dialogue. this is how Free communities work.

> We have not heard from the majority of this 
> group so your comment is a little premature.

it was a question. not a comment.

> We will make the call for volunteers for whatever we feel we need. At this
> point it is still very much part of the Board's responsibilities to plan
> and execute meetings.

i hope this reads differently than you meant it.

this is not the Board's group, this is the membership's group. the Board is 
there to do the admittedly boring gruntwork to facilitate meeting the needs 
of the group. at least, that was the intent when we set up the Executive 
Board, and we took great pains to ensure that spirit was put into practice.

> I apologize if this sounds terse, I'm just getting a bad vibe on this...

care to explain? it seems everything thus far has been agreeable, upbeat and 
inventive? it seems people are discussing things and sharing their honest 
opinions. what part has given you a bad vibe, exactly?

-- 
Aaron J. Seigo
Society is Geometric

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