A friend is blind and yes I know of the software he uses.  The issue with DRM 
is that he probably cannot access the media.

Thanks for clarifying mechanical rights.

You make a very good point with regard to the camera lenses.   The thing is 
that in these cases if one wants to it is perfectly legal to buy a lathe and a 
mill and build your own mounts.  With DRM we lose these rights.

Your point about the re-introduction of the turntable is also good.  I did not 
know of this... but i do have a few records and as it turns out I have not even 
played one for over a decade.  The point is that at least we can read the old 
media.  I think its fair to suggest that with DRM we will lose this.  




On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 12:52:11AM -0700, Ellen Mably wrote:
> Hi Terr:
> 
> Mechanical rights is what a musician is paid for each copy sold. It may also
> be tied into the surtax which was added to tapes a few years ago. Musicians
> are also paid every time their song is performed (performance rights). The
> amount per song depends on whether the musician wrote both the lyrics and
> the music, and whether an arranger, publisher, and agent get a piece of the
> pie.
> 
> For blind people, there has been computer voice software since about 1975.
> 
> Technology is slightly above fashion in it's changeability; at least it has
> a real reason. However, the demise and re-introduction of turntable and
> lenses which only fit the brand of camera that made the lens are some
> examples of technological "fashion". You probably know many more.
> 
> Ellen
> 
> 
> 
> On 24 February 2011 01:15, <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> > Ellen
> >
> > Thank you for your comments and I hope we get lots more.  The format is
> > available already.  Its on the shelf.  Its Ogg Theora.
> >
> > In fact the manufactures are using Linux and *BSD in the cpu's inside the
> > readers and burners.  They are FULLY aware of it which is why they typically
> > use it.  So any excuse is just that... some salesman making an excuse.
> >
> >
> > I've not heard the term "mechanical rights".  Does this term exist in law?
> >
> > With regard to DRM and DMCA style laws the issue is that if one tries to
> > break the DRM then one is guilty of a felony.  I know all about this because
> > I work with OpenSSL (sometimes) and donated to free Skylarov when Adobe had
> > him arreste for disclosing that they used ROT-13 encryption in their e-books
> > products.
> >
> > But related issues are this... how is a blind person suppose to read an
> > e-book?
> >
> > How about backups?
> >
> > What happens if the DRM algorithm is left out of the machine?
> >
> > Note for many this is already an issue:  What of someone from Japan for
> > instance who is in university and wants to watch a DVD from home? The only
> > real solution is two DVD's.  I htink it is totally predictable that
> > whaterver DRM is in a machine this decade will be gone by the next... then
> > we are suppose to repurchase the media.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:37:45PM -0700, Ellen Mably wrote:
> > > Hi Terr:
> > >
> > > You've raised two issues I'll comment on. Copyright applies to making
> > > something like a tape of a TV show. Generally, one can make one photocopy
> > of
> > > something for one's personal use or research. I think the new copyright
> > law
> > > was finally introduced; it's been a long time in the making. I don't know
> > > what the TV people think about VCRs.
> > >
> > > The inability to watch a pre-made DVD (is that what you meant?) on Linux
> > is
> > > related to mechanical rights. It could be that the manufacturer(s) are 1.
> > > unaware of the Linux market; 2. think it is too small for a cost/benefit;
> > 3.
> > > think it might be too complicated to produce and/or market a different
> > > format. So the answer would be talking with manufacturers about the issue
> > > (and perhaps helping them develop the format).
> > >
> > > Ellen
> > >
> > > On 23 February 2011 23:46, <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Precisely.  WHatever DRM might be in place now... there is a good
> > chance it
> > > > will be broken in the very near future.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Another related issue is CBC programming and this of course spills into
> > > > CTV, Global, etc.
> > > >
> > > > They have tried to erect "walls" which means if you take a trip and
> > want to
> > > > see something while out of the country... forget it.  If you want to
> > copy it
> > > > to your hard drive while say visiting an internet cafe forget it.  This
> > > > means if you are camped by the lake forget it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There are open formats like Vorbis and I think we need to be demanding
> > that
> > > > the programming they put on line is available in vorbis.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Here is another issue...  what of the Calgary Public Library?  I can
> > borrow
> > > > from 1000's of books and DVD's.  However even though they "say" they
> > have an
> > > > online service and even though as the tax payer I have paid for this...
> > its
> > > > not available to me.  Note that while the partron pays I think $25 bux
> > for a
> > > > library membership... the taxpayer forks over at least 5x this.
> > > >
> > > > Of course we all know the taxpayer pays a hefty chunk for CBC.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well - we've paid for it... so why  can't we have open access to it?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In the past if we want to tape a TV program so we can show it to a
> > friend
> > > > or watch it at another time we had the right to so this.  As we go
> > digital
> > > > we're losing our rights
> > > >
> > > > Do we have any lawyers who can answer this?  Does copyright to say a
> > DVD
> > > > allow whoever owns the copyright to deny me the right to watch the DVD
> > on my
> > > > linux machine?  Does CBC have the right to force me to fork over cash
> > to
> > > > microsoft? apple?  I already have all the copies of windows for
> > instance
> > > > that I want.  But NT4.0 is out of date and I don't think it can access
> > their
> > > > programming anyways.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To me this is like CBC telling me I have to buy an RCA television and
> > if I
> > > > want to use a Toshiba then I should screw off.
> > > >
> > > > What about City Hall?  Shouldn't I have the right to access their
> > material
> > > > on the Calgary web site in Vorbis?
> > > >
> > > > Maybe we need to look into some legal challenges.  This might be done
> > via
> > > > small claims and the key is that if we can get a judgment then the city
> > will
> > > > have no excuses.  But of course I'm not a lawyer so I don't know.
> >  Opinions?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I this particular situation we should be demanding that the 'flow' is
> > > > > actually an open format.
> > > > >
> > > > > Want happens when their propriatory DRM server is taken off line in a
> > few
> > > > > years time... you lose access to the media you purchased?
> > > > >
> > > > > Simon
> > > >
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