Thanks for the input. Fred - my thoughts on the iPad dependent issue (and I fully understand your point), this all assumes a semi-permanent iPad installation with built in charging. Beyond that you have your spare iPad, smart phone, pc in the cabin, etc.
Very interesting thought on the VHF serving as gps and ais receiver. Will give that some thought. Any thoughts on the reliability of the Furuno unit itself? It's a bit of an oddity but has been on the market for a while. Radar is not a critical function to me (except when it is) but I view this more of an offshore tool than anything else. Just my opinion which I'm sure most would disagree with. As usual I am in the minority. I still see no need for a knot meter. John Sent from my iPad > On Aug 9, 2015, at 9:27 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > Since Fred the technical expert inquired as to what others would recommend. > Here goes. > > Before getting into it though i have to say that everything Fred said is spot > on if you're going to upgrade and do it right. There are a lot of good > reasons to have everything talk to one another AND for having a knot meter. > Additionally, I would avoid having anything be functionaly dependent on > anything else. Each piece should make the others better and add > functionality not simply allow others to work. > > That being said, have you looked at older/used systems or repair parts? > eBay, and used boat chandeliers are flush with old electronic packages. I > keep multiple saved searches on eBay for all the parts to my > nav/instrument/Autopilot system. It is significantly cheaper for me to keep > what I have working. When I upgrade I will probably be discarding the entire > package (NEMA 0183) and then upgrade to the NEMA2000 system. In fact, the > NEMA 0183 standard is a big reason I'm not eager to upgrade - More cost and > challenges getting the new to talk to the old. There is currently an > open-source project for getting WiFi/Bluetooth NEMA2000 networks which sounds > promising. Waiting can only allow newer and better technology. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C&C 37+ > Solomons, MD > > Chart plotter - Garmin 182c > Instruments - Datamarine Offshore LINK 3500 > Autopilot - Simdad AP22, x300j, RC35 > Radar - Furano (way old) > Radio - Standard Horizon DSC w/remote MIC > >> On Aug 9, 2015 5:47 PM, "Frederick G Street via CnC-List" >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> Hi, John. No, you’re not crazy; just be careful with mixing and matching >> equipment from different vendors. And as long as you’re putting in modern >> electronics, there’s no reason I can think of to NOT integrate all of them >> together; you get benefits like autopilot steering to wind angle or to >> waypoints; and the ability to repeat GPS, wind, depth and other data out to >> WiFi if you’re so equipped. And as far as not having a knot meter, that >> means you lose the ability to correlate the GPS and boat data to determine >> if you’re dealing with current set and drift, which can be very helpful. >> >> Only you know what you’d really like to have; but I would at minimum do a >> full instrument install, and my preference would be for the i70 Sail Pack >> system if you’re looking at Raymarine. >> >> If you go with the Furuno black box radar, you’re completely blind if your >> iPad dies. I’m a fan of having dedicated marine electronics for functions >> you consider critical; if radar falls into that category, I’d think twice >> about that setup. >> >> If the current B&G autopilot system works well, there’s no reason to replace >> it; if it takes NMEA0183 data in, I’d definitely convert that from NMEA2000 >> so it can talk with other gear as mentioned above. >> >> If you’d like AIS receive only, consider putting in a VHF radio like the >> Standard Horizon GX2200, which has separate AIS receivers built in, and can >> pass that info on to other equipment. If you’d like to be seen as well, >> there are a bunch of choices in AIS Class B transponders; I’d recommend one >> after you nail down the rest of the equipment, so it plays well with >> everything else. >> >> And finally, chartplotters. I can see no reason to put in a Raymarine GPS >> receiver just to give GPS to other gear. If you’re NOT going to do a >> plotter (see notes about reliability of iPad and radar…), putting in an >> AIS-enabled VHF can get you position data just as well. I’d suggest, >> though, that you look at the new small MFDs that Simrad, B&G, Raymarine and >> Garmin have out. Under $1000, and you can attach radar, AIS, instruments, >> etc to get a fully marine-capable system that runs off your boat’s batteries >> (no limited iPad battery life, which ALWAYS seems to fail when you need it >> most…). >> >> I’ll be interested to see what others recommend. >> >> Fred Street -- Minneapolis >> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI >> >>> On Aug 9, 2015, at 4:30 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List >>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> The basic electronics (b&g h1000 system) on Paws have been a challenge >>> since I first got her. Intermittent failures at the start of each season. >>> Now depth has failed and of all things it appears to be the transducer. >>> I'm debating modernizing. Please tell me if I'm crazy. A little >>> background: >>> >>> Close hauled wind indicator is important to me (which I currently don't >>> have) >>> The autopilot (B&G) is a thing of beauty and will be kept >>> There are two Furuno chart plotters running older Navionics charts. Frankly >>> I use the iPad almost exclusively now (nobeltec ap and visual tides being >>> my preference) >>> AIS is important to me sailing in NY harbor - also off an iPad ap but would >>> consider upgrading >>> I couldn't care less about any interface between chart plotter and auto >>> pilot and/or wind >>> The boat does have radar which is never used for our current sailing. >>> Offshore would be a different story and we do do plan another offshore run >>> (Bermuda/Caribbean, etc) >>> >>> So here's what I'm thinking. >>> >>> Ray i50/60/70 instruments as a stand alone installation >>> Existing auto pilot remains as a stand alone unit >>> Replace existing Furuno radar dome with the PC version with built in wi-if >>> (works with Nobeltec iPad ap) >>> Perhaps add a wireless router >>> Add new Ray GPS head for a multifunction display; use iPad GPS for chart >>> plotter through ap >>> I wouldn't install a knot meter - Gps is fine >>> >>> Any thoughts on the reliability of wifi offshore? I would think it's fine >>> but would love to hear opinions. >>> >>> All of this could be done for about 4k less whatever I can sell the old >>> equipment for on eBay. Feel free to tell me I'm nuts. Keep in mind we do >>> have limited offshore runs in the future. >>> >>> Opinions welcome >>> >>> John >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom >> of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >
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