Common sense and government regulation? đ Yeah, we all know to avoid killing swimmers and paddleboardersâ, but not because the regs tell us that.
Joel On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 2:39 PM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List < [email protected]> wrote: > Manual propelled vessels and swimmers don't have to be listed in the > colregs in order for them to qualify as privileged. Common sense tells me > that when approaching them in a sail or power boat, they are privileged and > I am burdened. > > Alan Bergen > > On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> They are not part of the pecking order, and I do not believe >> human-powered mechanisms count as "propelled by machinery" anywhere in the >> colregs. The rig on a sailboat is also machinery in that sense. It's not a >> winning argument. Dictionary definitions have no bearing on definitions in >> the colregs. :-) >> >> As I said, back when I first learned the colregs, seaplanes did not count >> as vessels in the pecking order and had no status. They were required to >> keep clear, and not interfere with any vessel listed in the pecking order, >> because they were not listed. If you aren't on the list, you don't count! I >> think seaplanes finally got recognized in the 1972 revision. Odd numbered >> navaids used to be black barrels! >> >> Bill Bina >> >> On 6/8/2016 2:00 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote: >> >> Bill, >> >> You are correct that they are not mentioned, but they are still >> vessels: (a) The word âvesselâ includes every description of water craft, >> including nondisplacement craft, WIG craft and seaplanes, used or capable >> of being used as a means of transportation on water. >> >> Are they "powered" by paddles/oars etc? (b) The term âpower-driven >> vesselâ means any vessel propelled by machinery. >> >> Joel >> >> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List < >> <[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> The Colregs do not include rowboats, kayaks, canoes and paddleboards in >>> the pecking order, which means they have no specific priority over other >>> vessels. There was a time, when seaplanes were not included either. >>> Seaplanes were obligated to avoid interfering with any other vessel. >>> Swimmers, likewise have no status in the pecking order. Yeah, Rule 2 says >>> do whatever you can to avoid any collision, but vessels not in the pecking >>> order are obligated to avoid interfering with all other vessels in all >>> situations. They are never the "stand on vessel" >>> >>> The colregs are available to anyone who needs to know, and a copy should >>> be aboard every vessel. >>> >>> <www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/navrules/navrules.pdf >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.navcen.uscg.gov_pdf_navrules_navrules.pdf&d=DQMD-g&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=9w3G7Cf8YfQnrjmtuNxwDJYr3JMv9f1pAfgAJ9xXYQQ&m=A5leOeaFFvYJdgyEOTASgNOEPo_Aqc7hrlPISGZmzrg&s=b4mQFnG_hr3xRx2po0XHTzLkdRG7BtNVzyYK2nAMrOw&e=> >>> > >>> >>> Bill Bina >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >> Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > -- Joel 301 541 8551
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