Hello all,
I thought I would let you know what I found when I tracked down our
creaking/crunching sound when we turned the wheel on our 1994 C&C 37/40+.
According to the survey, the drive wheel at the rudder post had been recently
replaced. When I went and looked at the idlers and the drive wheel, the wheel
was slightly out of alignment. So, when the wheel was moved, the cable lightly
rubbed the edge of the wheel ring, and the resulting noise was actually much
worse than one would imagine.
Once I backed off the bolts and slightly raised the drive wheel, the noise went
away.
FYI, I also found a loose idler pulley mounting nut, and also found the idler
axles are stainless pins.
In the end, a very easy fix.
Thanks for insights everyone!
Bruce Whitmore
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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Subject: Re: Stus-List wheel squeak
This brings up a good point - As for the cables, where would folks here buy
them? Directly from Edson (expensive) or is there a less expensive, but still
good quality alternative (say from McMaster Carr, Grainger, etc.)?
Bruce Whitmore
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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Subject: Re: Stus-List wheel squeak
Had a similar thing happen sailing to Hawaii few years ago on a 1973 Ericson
35. 500 miles from Hilo I had a steering cable break. Dug out the emergency
tiller, and continued to sail. No anchoring here, lol. Figured out it was
almost impossible to steer a course while looking aft at the compass, chart
plotter was to slow to steer by. We hove to, changed the cable and sailed off
into the sun set, well it did take all day to get to the sun set. Next morning
at 5am the other cable broke. This time the capt was at the helm and the seas
were in the neighborhood of 20ft instead of 4 like the day before. Hove to
again changed the second cable. The owner had changed out the cable 3 years
before using hardware store wire rope. I heard from a friend, who sailed back
to Victoria, that the cables broke again. My thought was that he had too stuff
of cable for the sheave diameter.
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Rebecca Leah LF39
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wheel squeak
Sailing down Narragansett bay a few years ago broad reach 7kts we hear a loud
BANG and no steering. Get the sails down and anchor. We look under the cockpit
and see that the idler plate is so rusted that one of the pullys has pulled
right off. Get the emergency tiller out and attach it motor home....a very bad
day! Check that plate and all of the attached pullys. Edson has all the
replacements if needed. I have pics of the bad plate before i took it off. I
can post them when we get home we are in Newport watching the J class boats
race.
Gary. "Liberty" 38' Mk ll
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Re: Stus-List wheel squeak
Richard,Make sure to use a non-petroleum based lubricant for the bearings that
support the wheel shaft (such as Superlube or other Teflon based grease).
Don’t squirt WD-40 or any light weight spray lubricant into the grease holes
as it will tend to flush any lube out of the nylon caged bearings. You can
also check to see if the bearings are worn if you can move the wheel shaft up
and down, or side to side. There should be no play in the shaft at all..
Edson does sell a “pedestal rebuild kit” that includes bearings, circlips and
all the other thrust washers and replacement components for the wheel shaft.
If you go down that road, I’d also take the time to replace the brake shoes if
everything else is apart. The other possibility for your squeaky noise is the
sheave pins (axles) for the bronze idler wheels. They ride on plain bushings
and in the “old days” the axles were also bronze, which will wear out
eventually and allow the sheaves to go flying into the bilge under tension at
the worst possible time. If those have never been checked, replaced with
stainless pins, or lubricated as described in Edson’s steering maintenance
instructions, I would certainly do so. Once the sheave pins wear, the sheaves
go out of alignment and the squeaking you hear may be the axles getting ready
to let go. Finally, the Edson Idler plate at the base of the pedestal is
generally made of mild steel below the deck. Not terribly subjected to the
elements, but they can and will eventually start to rust. Once that happens,
sheaves, cable alignments and other critical steering components can be
affected, so check for a rusty idler plate as well as wobbly sheave uprights.
Whatever you do, don’t wait for it to fail to fix it.. Boats without steering
are not safe by any stretch of the imagination. The folks at Edson are very
good at walking you through what you need and they have data sheets on most
every C&C Steering system they sold for our boats.Cheers,Chuck GilchrestS/V
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Subject: Re: Stus-List wheel squeak Is it an Edson pedestal? If so, there are
two places to squeeze in grease under the compass. If you look on YouTube
there are Edson videos on replacing the bearings and they show the grease
points. I just did the bearing replacement on my current boat. Joel On
Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 9:34 AM, Richard Walter via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Greetings, The wheel on our 1978 36-footer has always squeaked to varying
degrees. Anyone found a solution to squeaky wheels? When it comes to getting
grease, I cannot locate a grease fitting (Zerc). Anyone added one? Thank
you,Richard s/v INDIGO
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