So are you saying there was a void in the keel stub on the hull? Sounds like filling it was a good idea. So the idea of glassing over the joint is to reduce slight movement which may be gradually loosening the keel nuts?
On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 2:02 PM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > When the smile first appeared on my boat, the keel bolts were so loose > that I could move the keel from side to side. In order to drop the keel, we > had to remove the mast (The forward keel bolt is under the mast). Once we > dropped the keel, we hosed out the bolt holes. There was a terrible smell > coming from the forward hole. There was a void there that had to be filled. > The yard ground the stub and the top of the keel, and epoxied the two of > them together. It took about a gallon of epoxy to fill the void. Then a > couple of layers of fiberglass were glassed over the smile, and it has > never appeared again. Also, I haven't had to re-tighten the keel bolts. > > Alan Bergen > 35 Mk III Thirsty > Rose City YC > Portland, OR > > On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:47 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> The C&C smile is usually a non-issue. It is nearly always resolved by >> torquing the keel bolts and cosmetically repairing the hull/keel crack. >> See: >> >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/smile/index.htm >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cncphotoalbum.com_doityourself_smile_index.htm&d=DwMFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=9w3G7Cf8YfQnrjmtuNxwDJYr3JMv9f1pAfgAJ9xXYQQ&m=r19-Ug1nKqOgD02UkVvV5cMq-VD-yOqZzz_ZVsyRJXc&s=eT6Lw7NSsBvjGXrbwE2rHsLwyMQ557kEyoHIuMZIc-Y&e=> >> >> That's a typical C&C smile. It was fixed by torquing the bolts, digging >> out some crumbly stuff at the crack and epoxying a couple overlapping >> layers of glass over the crack. The repair shown was done in 1999. It has >> not reappeared. Here's the same boat in 2018. >> >> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1UzpgYV6IlfmY6YeK2k3-pcE0ZACotjpJ >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__drive.google.com_open-3Fid-3D1UzpgYV6IlfmY6YeK2k3-2DpcE0ZACotjpJ&d=DwMFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=9w3G7Cf8YfQnrjmtuNxwDJYr3JMv9f1pAfgAJ9xXYQQ&m=r19-Ug1nKqOgD02UkVvV5cMq-VD-yOqZzz_ZVsyRJXc&s=HsX43j88YEh9_la6FvzCd3mOcQDUKKfvMB6NlISRj_8&e=> >> >> Torquing the bolts is much easier than finding the tools to do it. Most >> use a torque multiplier. You may be able to rent what you need. >> >> The bolts must be individually backed off and then torqued. Doesn't much >> matter if the boat is in or out of the water. >> >> The biggest issue with older C&C's is if the washers/plates under the >> keel bolts have not been replaced with stainless plates. If they are plain >> steel, they should be replaced with stainless. >> >> For most older C&C's the smile is a greatly overblown issue. >> >> Dennis C. >> Touche' 35-1 #83 >> Mandeville, LA >> >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 3:05 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >>> Ok, so perhaps a better question to ask - what is the recommended >>> maintenance (annual re-torque? I see a torque spec listed on the >>> CNCphotoalbum page but no other details), and if the C&C smile is found, >>> does the keel need to be dropped to fix it? This boat will be pushing our >>> budget a bit, so I want to ensure we're not going to incur a bunch of costs >>> right away. >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 11:59 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List < >>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> There is a way to add keel bolts with the keel in place, but C&Cs are >>>> not known for losing keels in the first place! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> Coquina >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 5, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List < >>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> After another 4 months of boat searching, I am once again considering >>>> the 35-2 "Callisto" which began this old thread from January. I have been >>>> thinking about it, and when I saw it at the dock while looking at another >>>> boat (Crown 28, yes I am getting desperate...), I realized I had forgotten >>>> how nice looking the boat is. It still has a for sale sign, and I am >>>> waiting to hear back from the owner. I think at 34K he was asking far too >>>> much, but at 20K I could overlook some of the not quite up to my standards >>>> work done on it. I will get a survey for sure if he gets back to me, and we >>>> can agree on a price. >>>> >>>> Since looking at this boat, I started getting interested in Ericsons, >>>> and really liked the idea of the encapsulated keels on their 70s models. We >>>> almost bought a 29. But I am realizing that my fear of keel bolts is >>>> probably unwarranted, and even Ericson went with bolt on keels by the 80s, >>>> and none of them fell off. I hear people talk about replacing keel bolts, >>>> but I assume they mean just the nuts, which doesn't seem to make a lot of >>>> sense, since the crevice corrosion is likely to a problem with the >>>> bolt/stud. Are the bolts J bolts like concrete anchors, or just threaded >>>> rod set into lead? I imagine replacing a J bolt would be a huge job. Is >>>> replacing them ever actually done? Could you just drill, tap, and thread in >>>> new stainless rod in between the original bolts for extra safety? Or am I >>>> worrying too much about a mostly non-issue? It's just that most bolt on >>>> keel boats I've looked at have water in the bilge meaning the bolts/nuts >>>> will stay wet most of the time (probably mainly rainwater/condensation I >>>> guess), so it seems like I should be concerned. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It's interesting also that after a lot of discussion with the Ericson >>>> guys (also a great group of owners, like this group), one of the features >>>> of the newer Ericson designs which improves comfort is the flared bow (the >>>> 80s models), something which the C&C 35-2 also has. Walking up to this 35-2 >>>> a few days ago just reminded me why I was so attracted to it originally. >>>> Yes, there are a few things I would do differently, but it's basically >>>> ready to sail, as is. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >>>> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >>>> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.paypal.me_stumurray&d=DwMFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=9w3G7Cf8YfQnrjmtuNxwDJYr3JMv9f1pAfgAJ9xXYQQ&m=r19-Ug1nKqOgD02UkVvV5cMq-VD-yOqZzz_ZVsyRJXc&s=-IdVxXChKEJiY98mwqNQX4ck_yn9d0uzvUyZChnxWeE&e=> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >>>> and every one is greatly appreciated. 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