Appreciate everyone's advice as always! I am not sure at this point if we would even make a very low offer for fear it would be accepted. The reality is we love our 30-2, but with the amount of weekends we spend on her (Gig Harbor currently) with a 3 year old and 5 year old, we feel like we are cramped on space. I would also like a bigger stiffer boat that I could race a bit more and be relatively comfortable on for moderate off shore passages say from Washington to San Francisco and Mexico etc. The 34+/36xl has always felt about right for us. I think we are going to wait for another and compromise a bit less. With our careers and a couple of hands on rental properties, my wife is nervous about a project boat and I think I am beginning to feel the same way. Thanks!
On Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 5:05 PM Fred Hazzard via CnC-List < [email protected]> wrote: > Good strategy to get something before paying for a survey. Then when > surveys come back you be able to negotiate further. > > Fred Hazzard > > On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 4:20 PM bwhitmore via CnC-List < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> While I agree with, and respect Josh, having done the steering work on >> our 37/40+ with similar but not as bad a problem, plan on a minimum of 3 >> days work to pull & replace the idler plate. Given your comments about the >> condition, you need to plan on a bunch of other issues you can't see as of >> now. Get a GOOD surveyor, but weigh the cost of the survey compared to >> your price point in both time and effort to get it into the condition >> you'll want and need. You might even run the issues past the owner now, >> saying "Realistically, x, y, and z need repair, and that alone totals >> $xx,xxx. Will you be willing to take that and more off to get it back to a >> boat worth $yy,yyy? If not, walk away before even getting the survey. >> >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List <[email protected]> >> Date: 2/25/20 2:20 PM (GMT-06:00) >> To: C&C List <[email protected]> >> Cc: Josh Muckley <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List 34+ Idler Pulleys and Cabin Top Compression >> >> The original carbon steel idler is no longer available from edson. You'd >> have to make modifications to the deck in order to replace. I thought I >> remembered the idler being ~$400. Maybe I'm mistaken. The replacement >> cables are ~$100. The work isn't that hard but it is a little bit of a >> PITA. >> >> The window delamination would not seriously concern me. >> >> The engine water flow shouldn't be too hard to overcome. Sometimes an >> old impeller just takes on a set and fails to prime itself. >> >> The sails are gonna set you back ~$3500 to $5000 each to replace. >> >> Upholstery is gonna be expensive. $5k to $10k >> >> If it's the boat you want and you can get a discount then I really >> haven't heard too much that would discourage me. I'm a risk taker and a >> DIYer....so YMMV. >> >> Josh Muckley >> S/V Sea Hawk >> 1989 C&C 37+ >> Solomons, MD >> >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 17:52 Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> List, >>> We looked at a 1990 34+ this weekend and I could use your input on two >>> items that were most concerning. The boat was much more of a project boat >>> than we anticipated unfortunately. We hoped to get out for a sail, but it's >>> not leaving the slip before some work is done. So obvious issues are below >>> and photos here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/V5YhFQzmjZwnCytf6 >>> >>> 1. *Heavy Rusting at base of the steering pedestal*: When I first >>> got on board and noticed the steering was quite stiff and a bit >>> 'grinding.' >>> I thought the steering column lock was on. However, since the idler >>> pulleys >>> and quadrant are above the deck on the 34+ it was easy to see a pile of >>> large and significant flakes of rust at the base of the pedestal where >>> the >>> cables run aft to the quadrant. This was visible after the quadrant cover >>> that is part of the cockpit sole was lifted. The cables were also not >>> even >>> seated on the quadrant or the pulleys and were grinding on the gel coat. >>> I >>> have since determined that this rust must have been from the idler plate. >>> The cables were also shot as you might expect, with broken strands. This >>> appears to be about $700 or so in materials for cables and a new idle >>> plates and pulleys. Question is, how difficult is this to address? I will >>> say, that the fact that the steering cable was not even on the quadrant >>> or >>> pulleys gave me pause about the truthfulness of the owner. We had >>> corresponded and talked about going out for a test sail and we drove >>> quite >>> a bit to go see the boat. If the cables were off my quadrant I am pretty >>> darn sure I would notice. There was no way to turn the rudder so how >>> would >>> a test sail have been possible? >>> 2. *Core delamination at port light: *Another item that gave me >>> pause was a split/de-laminated core at the forward portion of the fixed >>> port light. It felt dry, but I could make it compress/decompress with >>> very >>> little effort. I was told it was due to the boat being lifted in the >>> wrong >>> area by the yard. I suppose this could have been true given that the area >>> was about 3-4 aft of the forward bulkhead, where the sling should have >>> been. (Again, as an owner, I clearly flag on the lifelines where the >>> bulkheads are for the lift operator given that my C&C owner's manual on >>> my >>> Rob Ball 30-2 instructs that the slings should be placed there.) So, what >>> is your take on this damage? Is it not a big deal or sign of potentially >>> larger demons? >>> >>> Other items: >>> >>> - No cooling water when the engine started and ran. The strainer was >>> cleared and the through hull was open so my assumption is that the vanes >>> on >>> the impeller are either loose inside the water pump or have already >>> migrated into the heat exchanger. I have not had to fix this issue >>> before. >>> Major PITA? Expensive? >>> - Leaks. There were a number of leaks in the cabin top where the >>> tell tale drip of rotten core was showing. I am willing to understand a >>> certain amount of this in a 30 y.o. boat, but there may be too much. >>> - Upholstery was shot. The video showed some ok looking upholstery, >>> but it was much worse in real life. It was worn and stained in a number >>> of >>> places and I wondered if the foam was salvagable. What do you think a >>> re-uphosltery job would cost on a 34+? >>> - Original Mainsail - A 30 y.o. mainsail is not going to flatten or >>> point well. When I took the sail cover off there was a small football >>> sized >>> bees nest attached to the folds in the mainsail. About how much for a new >>> mainsail on a 34+ with full battens and 3 reefs? >>> - Jib - Looked older, but I was told it was only sailed 1/2 dozen >>> times and was 6-8 years old. I was not able to unfurl it all the way >>> given >>> the wind and being stuck in the slip. There was minor mildew spotting >>> near >>> the leach and the UV cover looked a bit tired. >>> >>> There was a bunch of old sailing junk and personal items on board so I >>> was unable to get a good look in the cabinets and under berths since stuff >>> was piled on them. In general the boat is not in sellable condition, but I >>> want to use the experience to educate myself on these issues. Here is a >>> link to some photos. I am keeping the location and boat name private since >>> the owner says he is selling it. >>> Thanks everybody. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >>> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >>> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. 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