I’ve owned Deja Vu for 10 years and raced & cruised all over and across the Gulf of Mexico, many times. I always had a full crew 3 + 1 for offshore sailing. We did experience a failure of the steering system idler plate and ended up completely rebuilding the steering system. Lesson learned - open up the steering system on any boat with an Edson steering gear and check/replace pets including cables and plate.
In light air the boat is fast and responsive but it’s a skill set that needs to be developed to get maximum performance from the boat. In heavy air 18-20 or more, something magical happens with this boat. While most sailboats mover faster in stronger winds, that’s not what I’m talking about. This design sails way past its parameters for speed off the wind with the main single reefed & a 110 forward. I think maximum speed is rated at 8.1 knts but I’ve got many anecdotal stories/examples of sustained speeds > 10 knts and not simply running down waves. Sustained over hours of heavy weather sailing. The part that’s so impressive is that this hull design (wing keel) and deep rudder etc, the steering is controlled and precise. I think the wing keel (many pros & cons) has an amplified dampening effect at these speeds resulting in excellent steering characteristics in big wind sailing. Really would like to hear from Rob Ball on this one. Just my two cents Stephen Thorne C&C34+ Deja Vu On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:21 AM David Knecht via CnC-List < [email protected]> wrote: > I have owned a 34+ for about 7 years and can comment on your intended > use. First, my boat had none of the issues you describe, so those are not > common problems from my perspecitve. I have done alot of work on my boat, > but none structural or because of failures or age. The previous owners of > my boat took good care of her and I am guessing yours did not. All the > changes I made to my boat were to improve an already great boat. I could > have done none of them and been happily sailing her. I love my boat and > it has been the perfect boat for my wife and I. It is very competitive > racing and very comfortable cruising. I have not seen a boat of her size > that I would trade for. I moved from a 34 and the extra space and improved > design makes the 34+ a wonderful racer/cruiser. We cruise locally around > Long Island Sound and I frequently sail and race her single-handed or > short-handed. > That being said, I do not believe it is the boat for what you describe as > your target adventures. I agree with Josh- the boat is easily > overpowered. Yes, you can reef early and often, but I would not want to be > out on the ocean with two youngsters on my boat. I have chartered a number > of boats in the Caribbean that I have sailed in 30+ knots of wind and felt > totally comfortable and under control with nearly full sail. My boat in 25 > knots feels overpowered no matter what sail plan is used (when short > handed). I have sailed her in 25 knots of wind with only a 100% genoa and > felt overpowered. I have the wing keel, and that may be a factor, but I > don’t think the boat was designed with blue water cruising in mind. She is > fast in light air races because of that design. If the time came when I > wanted to do more blue water sailing, I would sell the boat and look for > something more appropriate. Dave > > > On Feb 25, 2020, at 9:11 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Appreciate everyone's advice as always! I am not sure at this point if we > would even make a very low offer for fear it would be accepted. The reality > is we love our 30-2, but with the amount of weekends we spend on her (Gig > Harbor currently) with a 3 year old and 5 year old, we feel like we are > cramped on space. I would also like a bigger stiffer boat that I could race > a bit more and be relatively comfortable on for moderate off shore passages > say from Washington to San Francisco and Mexico etc. The 34+/36xl has > always felt about right for us. I think we are going to wait for another > and compromise a bit less. With our careers and a couple of hands on rental > properties, my wife is nervous about a project boat and I think I am > beginning to feel the same way. > Thanks! > > On Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 5:05 PM Fred Hazzard via CnC-List < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Good strategy to get something before paying for a survey. Then when >> surveys come back you be able to negotiate further. >> >> Fred Hazzard >> >> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 4:20 PM bwhitmore via CnC-List < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> While I agree with, and respect Josh, having done the steering work on >>> our 37/40+ with similar but not as bad a problem, plan on a minimum of 3 >>> days work to pull & replace the idler plate. Given your comments about the >>> condition, you need to plan on a bunch of other issues you can't see as of >>> now. Get a GOOD surveyor, but weigh the cost of the survey compared to >>> your price point in both time and effort to get it into the condition >>> you'll want and need. You might even run the issues past the owner now, >>> saying "Realistically, x, y, and z need repair, and that alone totals >>> $xx,xxx. Will you be willing to take that and more off to get it back to a >>> boat worth $yy,yyy? If not, walk away before even getting the survey. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List <[email protected]> >>> Date: 2/25/20 2:20 PM (GMT-06:00) >>> To: C&C List <[email protected]> >>> Cc: Josh Muckley <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List 34+ Idler Pulleys and Cabin Top Compression >>> >>> The original carbon steel idler is no longer available from edson. >>> You'd have to make modifications to the deck in order to replace. I >>> thought I remembered the idler being ~$400. Maybe I'm mistaken. The >>> replacement cables are ~$100. The work isn't that hard but it is a >>> little bit of a PITA. >>> >>> The window delamination would not seriously concern me. >>> >>> The engine water flow shouldn't be too hard to overcome. Sometimes an >>> old impeller just takes on a set and fails to prime itself. >>> >>> The sails are gonna set you back ~$3500 to $5000 each to replace. >>> >>> Upholstery is gonna be expensive. $5k to $10k >>> >>> If it's the boat you want and you can get a discount then I really >>> haven't heard too much that would discourage me. I'm a risk taker and a >>> DIYer....so YMMV. >>> >>> Josh Muckley >>> S/V Sea Hawk >>> 1989 C&C 37+ >>> Solomons, MD >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 17:52 Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> List, >>>> We looked at a 1990 34+ this weekend and I could use your input on two >>>> items that were most concerning. The boat was much more of a project boat >>>> than we anticipated unfortunately. We hoped to get out for a sail, but it's >>>> not leaving the slip before some work is done. So obvious issues are below >>>> and photos here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/V5YhFQzmjZwnCytf6 >>>> >>>> 1. *Heavy Rusting at base of the steering pedestal*: When I first >>>> got on board and noticed the steering was quite stiff and a bit >>>> 'grinding.' >>>> I thought the steering column lock was on. However, since the idler >>>> pulleys >>>> and quadrant are above the deck on the 34+ it was easy to see a pile of >>>> large and significant flakes of rust at the base of the pedestal where >>>> the >>>> cables run aft to the quadrant. This was visible after the quadrant >>>> cover >>>> that is part of the cockpit sole was lifted. The cables were also not >>>> even >>>> seated on the quadrant or the pulleys and were grinding on the gel >>>> coat. I >>>> have since determined that this rust must have been from the idler >>>> plate. >>>> The cables were also shot as you might expect, with broken strands. This >>>> appears to be about $700 or so in materials for cables and a new idle >>>> plates and pulleys. Question is, how difficult is this to address? I >>>> will >>>> say, that the fact that the steering cable was not even on the quadrant >>>> or >>>> pulleys gave me pause about the truthfulness of the owner. We had >>>> corresponded and talked about going out for a test sail and we drove >>>> quite >>>> a bit to go see the boat. If the cables were off my quadrant I am pretty >>>> darn sure I would notice. There was no way to turn the rudder so how >>>> would >>>> a test sail have been possible? >>>> 2. *Core delamination at port light: *Another item that gave me >>>> pause was a split/de-laminated core at the forward portion of the fixed >>>> port light. It felt dry, but I could make it compress/decompress with >>>> very >>>> little effort. I was told it was due to the boat being lifted in the >>>> wrong >>>> area by the yard. I suppose this could have been true given that the >>>> area >>>> was about 3-4 aft of the forward bulkhead, where the sling should have >>>> been. (Again, as an owner, I clearly flag on the lifelines where the >>>> bulkheads are for the lift operator given that my C&C owner's manual on >>>> my >>>> Rob Ball 30-2 instructs that the slings should be placed there.) So, >>>> what >>>> is your take on this damage? Is it not a big deal or sign of potentially >>>> larger demons? >>>> >>>> Other items: >>>> >>>> - No cooling water when the engine started and ran. The strainer >>>> was cleared and the through hull was open so my assumption is that the >>>> vanes on the impeller are either loose inside the water pump or have >>>> already migrated into the heat exchanger. I have not had to fix this >>>> issue >>>> before. Major PITA? Expensive? >>>> - Leaks. There were a number of leaks in the cabin top where the >>>> tell tale drip of rotten core was showing. I am willing to understand a >>>> certain amount of this in a 30 y.o. boat, but there may be too much. >>>> - Upholstery was shot. The video showed some ok looking upholstery, >>>> but it was much worse in real life. It was worn and stained in a number >>>> of >>>> places and I wondered if the foam was salvagable. What do you think a >>>> re-uphosltery job would cost on a 34+? >>>> - Original Mainsail - A 30 y.o. mainsail is not going to flatten or >>>> point well. When I took the sail cover off there was a small football >>>> sized >>>> bees nest attached to the folds in the mainsail. About how much for a >>>> new >>>> mainsail on a 34+ with full battens and 3 reefs? >>>> - Jib - Looked older, but I was told it was only sailed 1/2 dozen >>>> times and was 6-8 years old. I was not able to unfurl it all the way >>>> given >>>> the wind and being stuck in the slip. There was minor mildew spotting >>>> near >>>> the leach and the UV cover looked a bit tired. >>>> >>>> There was a bunch of old sailing junk and personal items on board so I >>>> was unable to get a good look in the cabinets and under berths since stuff >>>> was piled on them. In general the boat is not in sellable condition, but I >>>> want to use the experience to educate myself on these issues. Here is a >>>> link to some photos. I am keeping the location and boat name private since >>>> the owner says he is selling it. >>>> Thanks everybody. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >>>> and every one is greatly appreciated. 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