I'm not sure the 34+ is the direction you want to go for a stiffer boat. I might be wrong but with my 37+, I regularly find myself with too much sail. With a full crew and capable hands its manageable. With only 2 adults, and one busy taking care of the kidos, there are fewer options for sail management.
Josh On Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 21:12 Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List < [email protected]> wrote: > Appreciate everyone's advice as always! I am not sure at this point if we > would even make a very low offer for fear it would be accepted. The reality > is we love our 30-2, but with the amount of weekends we spend on her (Gig > Harbor currently) with a 3 year old and 5 year old, we feel like we are > cramped on space. I would also like a bigger stiffer boat that I could race > a bit more and be relatively comfortable on for moderate off shore passages > say from Washington to San Francisco and Mexico etc. The 34+/36xl has > always felt about right for us. I think we are going to wait for another > and compromise a bit less. With our careers and a couple of hands on rental > properties, my wife is nervous about a project boat and I think I am > beginning to feel the same way. > Thanks! > > On Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 5:05 PM Fred Hazzard via CnC-List < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Good strategy to get something before paying for a survey. Then when >> surveys come back you be able to negotiate further. >> >> Fred Hazzard >> >> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 4:20 PM bwhitmore via CnC-List < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> While I agree with, and respect Josh, having done the steering work on >>> our 37/40+ with similar but not as bad a problem, plan on a minimum of 3 >>> days work to pull & replace the idler plate. Given your comments about the >>> condition, you need to plan on a bunch of other issues you can't see as of >>> now. Get a GOOD surveyor, but weigh the cost of the survey compared to >>> your price point in both time and effort to get it into the condition >>> you'll want and need. You might even run the issues past the owner now, >>> saying "Realistically, x, y, and z need repair, and that alone totals >>> $xx,xxx. Will you be willing to take that and more off to get it back to a >>> boat worth $yy,yyy? If not, walk away before even getting the survey. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List <[email protected]> >>> Date: 2/25/20 2:20 PM (GMT-06:00) >>> To: C&C List <[email protected]> >>> Cc: Josh Muckley <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List 34+ Idler Pulleys and Cabin Top Compression >>> >>> The original carbon steel idler is no longer available from edson. >>> You'd have to make modifications to the deck in order to replace. I >>> thought I remembered the idler being ~$400. Maybe I'm mistaken. The >>> replacement cables are ~$100. The work isn't that hard but it is a >>> little bit of a PITA. >>> >>> The window delamination would not seriously concern me. >>> >>> The engine water flow shouldn't be too hard to overcome. Sometimes an >>> old impeller just takes on a set and fails to prime itself. >>> >>> The sails are gonna set you back ~$3500 to $5000 each to replace. >>> >>> Upholstery is gonna be expensive. $5k to $10k >>> >>> If it's the boat you want and you can get a discount then I really >>> haven't heard too much that would discourage me. I'm a risk taker and a >>> DIYer....so YMMV. >>> >>> Josh Muckley >>> S/V Sea Hawk >>> 1989 C&C 37+ >>> Solomons, MD >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 17:52 Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> List, >>>> We looked at a 1990 34+ this weekend and I could use your input on two >>>> items that were most concerning. The boat was much more of a project boat >>>> than we anticipated unfortunately. We hoped to get out for a sail, but it's >>>> not leaving the slip before some work is done. So obvious issues are below >>>> and photos here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/V5YhFQzmjZwnCytf6 >>>> >>>> 1. *Heavy Rusting at base of the steering pedestal*: When I first >>>> got on board and noticed the steering was quite stiff and a bit >>>> 'grinding.' >>>> I thought the steering column lock was on. However, since the idler >>>> pulleys >>>> and quadrant are above the deck on the 34+ it was easy to see a pile of >>>> large and significant flakes of rust at the base of the pedestal where >>>> the >>>> cables run aft to the quadrant. This was visible after the quadrant >>>> cover >>>> that is part of the cockpit sole was lifted. The cables were also not >>>> even >>>> seated on the quadrant or the pulleys and were grinding on the gel >>>> coat. I >>>> have since determined that this rust must have been from the idler >>>> plate. >>>> The cables were also shot as you might expect, with broken strands. This >>>> appears to be about $700 or so in materials for cables and a new idle >>>> plates and pulleys. Question is, how difficult is this to address? I >>>> will >>>> say, that the fact that the steering cable was not even on the quadrant >>>> or >>>> pulleys gave me pause about the truthfulness of the owner. We had >>>> corresponded and talked about going out for a test sail and we drove >>>> quite >>>> a bit to go see the boat. If the cables were off my quadrant I am pretty >>>> darn sure I would notice. There was no way to turn the rudder so how >>>> would >>>> a test sail have been possible? >>>> 2. *Core delamination at port light: *Another item that gave me >>>> pause was a split/de-laminated core at the forward portion of the fixed >>>> port light. It felt dry, but I could make it compress/decompress with >>>> very >>>> little effort. I was told it was due to the boat being lifted in the >>>> wrong >>>> area by the yard. I suppose this could have been true given that the >>>> area >>>> was about 3-4 aft of the forward bulkhead, where the sling should have >>>> been. (Again, as an owner, I clearly flag on the lifelines where the >>>> bulkheads are for the lift operator given that my C&C owner's manual on >>>> my >>>> Rob Ball 30-2 instructs that the slings should be placed there.) So, >>>> what >>>> is your take on this damage? Is it not a big deal or sign of potentially >>>> larger demons? >>>> >>>> Other items: >>>> >>>> - No cooling water when the engine started and ran. The strainer >>>> was cleared and the through hull was open so my assumption is that the >>>> vanes on the impeller are either loose inside the water pump or have >>>> already migrated into the heat exchanger. I have not had to fix this >>>> issue >>>> before. Major PITA? Expensive? >>>> - Leaks. There were a number of leaks in the cabin top where the >>>> tell tale drip of rotten core was showing. I am willing to understand a >>>> certain amount of this in a 30 y.o. boat, but there may be too much. >>>> - Upholstery was shot. The video showed some ok looking upholstery, >>>> but it was much worse in real life. It was worn and stained in a number >>>> of >>>> places and I wondered if the foam was salvagable. What do you think a >>>> re-uphosltery job would cost on a 34+? >>>> - Original Mainsail - A 30 y.o. mainsail is not going to flatten or >>>> point well. When I took the sail cover off there was a small football >>>> sized >>>> bees nest attached to the folds in the mainsail. About how much for a >>>> new >>>> mainsail on a 34+ with full battens and 3 reefs? >>>> - Jib - Looked older, but I was told it was only sailed 1/2 dozen >>>> times and was 6-8 years old. I was not able to unfurl it all the way >>>> given >>>> the wind and being stuck in the slip. There was minor mildew spotting >>>> near >>>> the leach and the UV cover looked a bit tired. >>>> >>>> There was a bunch of old sailing junk and personal items on board so I >>>> was unable to get a good look in the cabinets and under berths since stuff >>>> was piled on them. In general the boat is not in sellable condition, but I >>>> want to use the experience to educate myself on these issues. Here is a >>>> link to some photos. I am keeping the location and boat name private since >>>> the owner says he is selling it. >>>> Thanks everybody. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >>>> and every one is greatly appreciated. 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