SAXESS - Hussayn Dabbous dijo: > And especially the newbies can give so valuable insight, even if they seem to be ignorant (they aren't ignorant at all. They are new to this !!!)
Yes I know this point, but for this reason you cannot just come here and after 12 hours, start attacking something you dont know. This is the worng way. In place you can ask in another way. Also, everyone of us had the same problem and feel when we started at Cocoon. This is crazy, my first question was: "When can I start?". But this is not a good approach sign-in on the mail list and start commenting about this. If you wish a well documented framework wait for the release of MS .NET of mid 2005 and maybe at that time you will have something that will looks that the current version of Cocoon. Of course Cocoon in that time will be light-years ahead! I am not joking. MS already has started a few months ago a similar project in the .NET arena. In the OpenSources the things goes a diferent way. This is not a company where are people getting money to support you. Then the less you can do is thanks people that use his time to help you. How you will fell if somebody stop you at the street and start attacking you just because you dont know where is the street called "X"? This is ridiculous, right? I think some people here had the same feel. Nobody is forced to convince you stay and for tis reason I better stay away of this class of thread. If he does not want to get this nice stuff. His problem, not mine. ;-) But I bet he will come back. I saw it many times in the timeline..... At the end, I remember the times when some people was attacking GUI, just because there does not understand it. It was at my students days..... Some collegues told things like: "Windows 3.1 requiere too many recurses and is so slow. This will never be a good stuff" At that time (1992) a 286 with 1 MB and HD 40 MB was a super computer for a student like us. i386 was the Opteron of these days (the new 32-bits technology - wow!, like now is the transition to the new 64-bits technology - wow again! :-). I remember one teacher that told: "You think you are the 'great boys' just because you can open 30 windows in your PC. I dont want to waste my eyes burning it with 640*468 pixel lightning at my eyes!" Behind his back we joking if he has a room at his house with his own saloon computer all just for him!". Because for him our computers was toys and nothing more. Maybe you will be loling about this comments. But this was what we meet at the University at my times. People that all the time used text terminal and with the GUI revolution just starting they does not understand what happens around and just attacking GUI. Another example of this, the long discusion about if Java will survive or not? We have C and C++! Well, we are know at the doors of the Web revolution called XML. Please open your eyes! Best Regards, Antonio Gallardo > > Maybe we should calm down a bit and take this thread really > serious. It contains much of material to think about. > And in many senses the criticism here can't be discussed > away. I never got angry. I agree. Antonio Gallardo. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html> To unsubscribe, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
