On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 10:28, Sam Ruby wrote: > Jason van Zyl wrote: > > On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 09:34, Greg Stein wrote: > >>On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 09:48:42PM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>>> > >>>>[I won't even get into the question of why those two can't be related > >>>>projects under a single PMC] > >>> > >>>Read the Ant mission....it specifically states the Ant build system as > >>>it's scope. > >> > >>Bah. The Board can easily change the scope if there are better ways to > >>organize the software that we [the ASF] produce. > >> > >>Existing charters shouldn't get in the way of What Is Right. > > > > "What Is Right" ? > > > > So that's going to be the board deciding what is right? What project's > > themselves want is not right enough? That is frightening. What happened > > to project self direction/determination? > > The board changes things like scope based on resolutions provided to it. > If the committers to Ant and Maven wanted to cooperate, then a joint > proposal could be authored for consideration by the board. > > The idea of such committer initiated proposals do not concern me, unless > such proposals attempt to establish responsibility for items that are > within the scope of other, existing projects.
Oh, you mean like the Avalon resolution which cross-cuts several other projects like Turbine and Struts. That one didn't seem to bother you. Don't make vague assertions when it's your personal agenda here Sam that's driving the cart. Or how about we make a tautalogical resolution like the Ant or Cocoon resolutions which got passed. I'm fine with changing the resolution to something like those of Ant or Cocoon: "The Maven Project will deal with the Maven system". But again those didn't really bother you either. But Maven's does. Or how about we add an addendum where the project has to have decent code and some _tests_ and actual users. That would pretty leave Maven standing by itself. It is not for you to personally decide who and who shouldn't work together because that's what's happening and that's complete bullshit. I know the board relies on you for their primary source information with anything to do with Jakarta and I think the time has come for you to be called on stacking the deck when what occurs doesn't line up with your little vision of how OSS should work. It is soley up the project participants to decide who they want to work with. Not you. I hope for your sake that you adhere to your word when you said you would abstain from the vote on Maven's PMC if there was a conflict of interest because there is a conflict of interest. And if you reply to this don't exerpt the bits you don't like as you usually do. > - Sam Ruby > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- jvz. Jason van Zyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tambora.zenplex.org In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it. -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
