On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 11:02, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Jason, > > I am the one who raised the issue about Ant and Maven. I have made the > observation before. Dion said that it was the Ant PMC that was in the way. > Greg Stein replied that the Ant charter could be changed if that was the > only issue. You jumped down Greg's throat about the Board taking away > project self-determination. Sam replied that you had misinterpreted Greg's > comments. So you jumped down Sam's throat with what appears to be an > assault based upon prior context, because it certainly cannot be inferred > from what Sam said to you this morning.
My comments cannot be misinterpreted. My observations relate strictly to the behaviour of the board in their relationship with Sam. I'm definitely trying to draw out into the open how things work. I don't get the feeling in this case project self determination is winning out because it's clashing with Sam's philosophy. Some of my comments include bits of other conversations which I am trying to draw into this one. > Since I am the one who asked why Ant and Maven aren't related projects under > a PMC, you might was well yell at me for having the temerity to ask a rather > obvious question. But for all of your railing this morning, you never > actually answered the question. I just answered it in another email. > What you did say was that: "I'll qualify this as I'm didn't intend to lump > Ant in here. I'm specifically talking about Gump, Centipede and Ruper which > as far as I'm concerned are an embarassment and Maven developers should not > be forced into working with bodies of code we feel are not very good." > > Well, I didn't ask about Gump, Centipede or Ruper. I asked about Ant and > Maven. Start there. And as far as I'm concerned, if Build Project X sucks > (a logical antecedent for the sake of discussion), then an Ant/Maven PMC > could resolve that by correction/replacement as part of their on-going > development. I don't feel that the grouping of the two projects would necessarily make a better anything. Ant is currently on its own, and Maven has remained on its own. If a natural level of cooperation is going to occur it's not going to matter if we are grouped under the same PMC or not. Just as James as separated from Avalon, your level of cooperation will probably continue on the same path it always did. Doesn't matter where your projects are or if you are governed by the same PMC or not. > --- Noel > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- jvz. Jason van Zyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tambora.zenplex.org In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it. -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
