I must stay that I find this entire exchange bewildering.
I have provided infrastrure support for Maven and an occasional patch here and there. When asked about either Maven becoming a top level project or leaving the ASF entirely, I provided what I thought were helpful answers.
I welcomed Jason as a committer to Alexandria (where Gump was at the time, and Maven initially formed). I supported his movement of Maven from Alexandria to Turbine. And now I have indicated that I will abstain when the actual board vote is held on Maven becoming a top level project.
- Sam Ruby
Jason van Zyl wrote:
On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 11:02, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Since I am the one who asked why Ant and Maven aren't related projects under a PMC, you might was well yell at me for having the temerity to ask a rather obvious question. But for all of your railing this morning, you never actually answered the question.
To expand, I think ultimately all that matters is that a project be given the space it wants in an attempt to let it flourish. If the Maven developers want to be left entirely alone why is that a concern?
If we compete head-on with Ant why is that a concern?
If we compete head-on with Centipede and it's satellite of related projects what's the concern?
If we don't want to use Gump or talk to any of the Centipede so what? Compete with us! You cannot force relationships between groups when the desire to do so does not emanate in mutual proportion from both parties.
We don't want to grouped under the same PMC as Ant. How's that?
We want to go alone and I think we've done a pretty decent job so far. If we falter and require, desire or ask for help later on than we can do so. If we desire to collaborate or merge with other projects than we can do so.
Give each project its own space and let the network of interaction form of its own accord. If it is easy to shuffle PMCs and alliances then let it occur when there is reason too.
All I and any of the Maven developers want to do is try to make it better. But from day one I have had nothing but pressure from Sam Ruby. Starting from him asking me to use a huge mess of an xslt transformed gob of XML as the model for Maven to using Gump as tool of coercion to force unnatural paths of evolutuion. I ignored the first request and I continue to ignore gump because anything not taking the project into primary consideration won't work.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
