James Strachan wrote:
From: "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Well, I didn't ask about Gump, Centipede or Ruper.  I asked about Ant and
Maven.  Start there.  And as far as I'm concerned, if Build Project X

sucks

(a logical antecedent for the sake of discussion), then an Ant/Maven PMC
could resolve that by correction/replacement as part of their on-going
development.


I thought the whole reason that Ant, Avalon, Cocoon, James et al moved top
level (out of Jakarta) was to get rid of top level umbrella PMCs so that
each project has its own PMC.
This is all Maven is trying to do. Any kinds of integration/merging is an
internal decision for the Ant and Maven communities isn't it? I see
Ant/Maven integration as a totally separate issue from who makes up the PMC
to look after the Maven project. I don't see why why we'd need another top
level PMC looking after both Ant and Maven as they are separate projects
afterall.

I agree with this vision.

My suggestion to the board would be to identify the health and diversity of the community behind Maven, not its technical realms or potential overlap since this will be dealt with by darwinistic means if the dev community is healthy.

I repeat: *if* the community is healthy.

--
Stefano Mazzocchi                               <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate [William of Ockham]
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