and *everybody* appreciate[sd] his efforts but it also seems that there
exist some basic misunderstandings, at least I've lost the point somewhere
last night...
On 20/10/2003, at 10:44, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
And then we end up with 200 mailinglists, each getting a single message per month/week/year. Verrrry efficient. Verrry german. I love it! Everything in its neat little box. Stamped, filed, put away.
[I don't want to get pulled into this discussion another time, this just sounds pretty ignorant to me, but please read on...]
Well, the threads on this and other similar topics showed that the majority
of our community has a completely different point of view when it comes to
information reception.
To summarize it, we had a bunch of wide-ranging suggestions on how to
publish the newsletter: emails on various lists with various amounts of
content included, a dedicated list, a website version, fancy XML-based docs
and even an RSS-aggregated feed. Of course there were strong and reasonable
arguments for _and_ against each possibility but in the end everybody has
it's very own preference.
Now the point is why we don't want to see this difference and act
accordingly? The last publication showed that there are people out there,
which have issues with the current delivery method (maybe they're of a
technical nature or just organizational, however), so why are they being
ignored and not respected?
In case of the announce(at)apache.org list we're speaking of at least 8304
subscribers (!). Considering the recent discussions, I'm really wondering
how many of them feel annoyed, disturbed or overwhelmed.
I think what David and others (including me) wanted to suggest is to go the
way of least astonishment/frustration: we know that everybody has his/her
own preferences so why don't we just go with a pull-model instead of pushing
the *whole content* onto some list of subscribers? Why not just *announce*
the availability of the newsletter? Do we really have to dump it to some
list? And, if we have to, why can't this be a dedicated list?
I agree that the tone of Davids original mail might have not been the most
diplomatic one but given that this issue was discussed at length already, I
can understand the reaction. Nobody 'judged the merits of a particular
volunteer just because he didn't like the way it's done' (according to
Stefano on infrastructure@). There were alternative suggestions on how to
improve the publication, everybody agreed, and in the end, they were simply
ignored.
I liked the idea of a general "announce" list where all this stuff is
sent and let my mail client sort it out. This is the 21st century. If
you have bandwidth, disk space or download time concerns, you're either
not using the right technology or simply cannot keep up with the edge of
this fast moving technology.
Why do we have to require this sort of working environment? It looks like
you're not aware of other parts of this world. Just as an exaggerated
example: in the (developing) Asian and African countries, a 386er equipped
with a 14.4K modem costs a horrible amount of money and the ISP-/TelCo-fees
are definitely better invested in feeding your child(s)...
I very much enjoyed the hard work that Tetsuya put into the newsletter
and I'm very sad to see him step down because of such puny reasons as to
which mailing list this newsletter should be sent.
I fully agree and given that nobody critizied the newsletter itself, I can
not understand why Tetsuya resigned. That looks really weird to my little
brain...
H*ll, I get about 6000 mails per day. It's the job of a robot to make
sure that I won't get swamped in these but the most interesting / urgent
/ personal get filed in the right folders. If you try to keep up with
80ies methods (only send me small, non-html, right-marked, stamped and
adressed mail), you might want to consider using a fax. Or become a road
kill on the information highway. ;-)
<ironic-mode>
Hmmm, well, i like this approach. Can we please close-down all apache.org
mailing lists and instead have just one big uber-list, perhaps with a
HTML-requirement and 10k footers explaining the ASF? Hey, it's pretty easy
to filter out the important messages, so why don't you just setup your MUA
correctly???
</ironic-mode>
...just another personal preference... ;-)
Cheers, Erik
--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
