>Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:44:12 -0800
>From: Gamba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>>  but I feel more warm and fuzzy reading it off the
>>chips directly.
>>Jeff Walther
>
>So then, you have access to a Data I/O?
>Any chance Apple's ROMs are copy protected?

To my eternal (or until I get one) shame, no.   Oh, wait, you wrote 
"access".  The answer to that is yes.  I simply don't own one yet.

Howard Electronics here in town will read and program most chips up 
to about 1 Mb or 32 pins for me for a couple of bucks or $5 if it's 
been a bad day.   I don't think I've ever paid them the same price 
twice.   If the chip isn't a DIP, I have to build an adapter for them.

For larger chips I go to Pioneer IOS which is within a couple of 
blocks of Howard.  However, PIOS is in the business of doing batches 
of hundreds or thousands, so I've only asked them for stuff when it's 
going to lead to large quantities I can pay them for.  They have a 
BPMicro 1600 with all the socket adapters for proto-type work, and 
the big automated chip programmers for quantities.

I have my eye on a Needham EMP-11 and really want one.   They're 
available new for about $275 (sometimes $250 on Ebay if no one else 
bids).  Socket modules are $100.   The problem is that I am currently 
an out of work chip designer with only 1.5 years experience.   There 
are a lot of more experienced folks out there hunting for jobs which 
is making things really tough on me.  So I'm not engaging in many 
non-essential expenses because there's no telling how long it will 
take to finally get a new job.  So a $5 IIci motherboard to dissect 
is okay, but a new chip programmer is out for a while.

Jeff Walther

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