Although I agree on the research argument (setting no limits encourages work on massive parallel distributed architectures), I do find it a bit funny to see this argument coming from team Zen. As far as I know team Zen does not publish their research findings (or did I miss some papers?).
Erik On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Hideki Kato <hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp> wrote: > Nick & all, > > 1. Although introducing some limitation of cpu power is an intersting > idea (actually my GPW Cup does), I think it's too early for KGS bot > tournaments. > > How to utilize computer clusters' power for planning tasks is a common > and important reseach theme now. As communication over network is less > effective than in-box one, playing-strength per (total) cpu-power get > smaller when using computer clusters. Zen's root parallelization > improves up-to 1 or 2 ranks but TDS based algorithms (used for Gommora > and MP-Fuego) are expected to give more improvements. Preventing such > effort must be a bad idea, I strongly believe. So, at least, a simple > sum of cpu power of all node computers is not acceptable. (Some > discouting could be?) > > Cpu power of each SMP or NUMA box can be computed by > number-of-(physical-)cores times clock-frequency (although Erik used > logical-cores). Using number-of-threads instead might be better. For > more fairness, some factors can be defined for processor arichitectures > or manufacturers, because some participants have to use non-Intel > processors due to their environments. > > For GPUs, I have no concrete idea now. Simple flops is not enough and > more discussion is necessary, I believe. > > Another idea, you (or we?) can define some benchmark program(s). > > 2. I don't understand this at all. It's just a record of fact. > Intentional omitting of information must be a bad idea. > > 3. Watching the crosstable in real-time should be a fan for all > observers. > > Hideki > > Nick Wedd: > <caevtg+nheacva2ibm6h-ulxg-9indqsgzfquj7jfdp6rv1o...@mail.gmail.com>: >>I am thinking of making some small changes to the way I run bot tournaments >>on KGS. If you have ever taken part in a KGS bot tournament, I would like >>to hear your opinions on three things. >> >> >>1. Limit on processor power? >> >>This is the main point on which I want your opinions. The other two are >>trivial. >> >>Several people have suggested to me that these events would be fairer if >>there were a limit on the computing power of the entrants. I would like to >>do this, but I don't know how. I have little understanding of the >>terminology, I don't know how *e.g.* multiple cores in one computer compare >>with multiple computers on one network, and I don't know how to count a >>graphics card. *If* someone can find a way to specify an upper limit to >>permitted power which is clear and easy to understand, and *if* most >>entrants would favor imposing such a limit, I will discuss what it should >>be, and apply it. I am not able to check what entrants are really running >>on, but I will trust people. >> >> >>2. Zeroes in the "Annual Championship" table. >> >>The table at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/annual/index.html has a 0 in a >>cell where a program competed but did not score, and a blank where it did >>not compete (at least it should do, I sometimes get it wrong). I would >>prefer to omit these zeroes, they seem a bit rude. Also there is no clear >>distinction between competing and not competing - how should I treat a >>program which crashes and disappears after two rounds, or one (like AyaMC >>last Sunday) which plays in every round but is broken and has no chance of >>winning? I realise that the zeroes some convey information that may be of >>interest. Should I continue to use them, or just leave those cells blank? >> >> >>3. Live crosstable >> >>When I write up my reports, I include a crosstable, like the one near the >>top of http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/116/index.html . This is easy for >>me, I run a script which reads the data from the KGS page ( >>http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?sort=s&id=990 in this case) and >>builds the crosstable in html, which I copy into the tournament report. It >>only works for Swiss (and maybe Round Robin) tournaments. It works while >>the tournament is still running, though only between rounds.I could build a >>current crosstable each round during a tournament if there is any demand >>for it. > -- > Hideki Kato <mailto:hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp> > _______________________________________________ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go _______________________________________________ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
