For 19x19 CGOS is set to 1800 seconds which is 30 minutes. On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Hiroshi Yamashita <[email protected]> wrote:
> Zen and Aya and Suzie and Crazystone are missing. >> > > Aya runs on now. > > I have a question. > Is current CGOS 19x19 30 minutes per side? not 20 minutes? > I like short time setting. > > Hiroshi Yamashita > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Fotland" < > [email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 2:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [Computer-go] cgos 19x19 gets interesting > > > Now that the tournaments are over perhaps more of the top programs can > join? > I have two version of Many Faces (636, from last March, and 737, the > latest, > both on 4 cores). > > Fuego is there twice, running on 56 cores and 4 cores. > Pamogo, is it a version of mogo? > Enos, a new very strong program. Does anyone know who it is? > Valkyria is there. > > Zen and Aya and Suzie and Crazystone are missing. > > Regards, > David > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of terry mcintyre > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:18 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Computer-go] cgos 19x19 gets interesting > > > > It looks like few of the top players are active at the moment; there's a > copy of Zen, and the next strongest program playing a game is Fuego. About > ten strong programs have not played for some while. > > > Terry McIntyre <[email protected]> > > Unix/Linux Systems Administration > Taking time to do it right saves having to do it twice. > > > > > > _____ > > From: David Fotland <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 12:18:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Computer-go] cgos 19x19 gets interesting > > There was a study about 10 or 15 years ago that used the measured variance > in score to extrapolate perfect play (with zero variance), and it got 4 > stones better than the top pros. That's where this estimate comes from. > > David > > -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:computer-go- >> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Jacques Basaldúa >> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 9:09 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [Computer-go] cgos 19x19 gets interesting >> >> >/ And that's the optimistic view: the usual wild guess is that the best >> />/ pros are about four stones away from perfect play. >> >> Playing losing positions is tricky. The perfect move for w >> minimax wise in handicap 4 is resign. So maybe accepting >> that initially white loses by b_0 points and playing always >> a move that keeps this minimax value expecting blacks >> suboptimal choices to make b_i negative for some i is >> probably not the best strategy. It is accepting: Ok i am >> behind by (say) 45 points, lets build a solid 45 point loss. >> >> We can imagine how much a human pro can read from what >> Catailin Taranu explains from his own games in his >> eurogotv.com videos. Humans narrow the search very much >> an may foresee say 20 moves. (Anyone reads 20 moves in a >> ladder I mean 20 moves in a fight.) A perfect player could >> read 300-400 ply full width. Obviously, it could also >> compute what humans will not see or may see. Rather than >> perfect play, an aggressive overhuman 300 ply deep full >> board tesuji could probably include killing the 4 handicap >> stones for free. If perfect play means overhuman tesuji I >> guess 4 handicap stones is too few. >> >> Paradoxically, perfect evaluation can be a drawback >> and minimax wise perfect play could be non-aggressive. >> >> Of course, we can bet as high as we want because we will >> never know. >> >> Jacques. >> >> / >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Computer-go mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >> > > _______________________________________________ > Computer-go mailing list > [email protected] > http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ >> Computer-go mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >> > > _______________________________________________ > Computer-go mailing list > [email protected] > http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >
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