Sorry, I might be wrong at RAVE. Maybe it should be: Sylvain proprosed the
idea of RAVE and David Silver proposed a new formula for RAVE.
Aja
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From: Aja
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 9:20 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Computer-go] News on Tromp-Cook ?
Hi Jeff,
When, do you think, did Mogo "started dominating all the KGS computer events
and CGOS, and also was the first to extend that dominance from 9x9 to
19x19."?
In Computer Olympiad 2007, Steenvreter was gold medal on 9x9. At the final
match of 19x19, it's easily to see that Mogo and Crazy Stone were close
(finally Mogo 1st and CS 2ed). But, at the end of 2007, Crazy Stone defeated
Mogo and won the UEC Cup (19x19). Afterwards, Many Faces won 9x9 and 19x19
on 2008. Zen and Erica won 2009 and 2010, both continuing Crazy Stone
thread.
Mogo's biggest contributions, so far, in my view, are
1.Applied UCT to computer Go, and such application came from the idea "MCTS"
that proposed in 2006 by Remi Coulom. Crazy Stone was using MCTS to win 9x9
in 2006 Computer Olympiad.
2.See 3x3 patterns around the previous move.
3.RAVE (strictly speaking, it is invented by David Silver).
UCT and RAVE are for both for the tree search. I think Crazy tone's
contribution for the playout is of same/or more important, because the
quality of simulations decide the playing strength much. From this view, we
should give Crazy Stone more and more credit.
I don't mean to raise any debate. Mogo does has important contributions, but
it's not so hard to assign credit to Crazy Stone. By the way, we should not
forget Fuego and MyGoFriend. Anyway, I think SenSei's description is
out-of-date.
Aja
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From: Jeff Nowakowski
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 5:43 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Computer-go] News on Tromp-Cook ?
On 12/30/2010 01:58 PM, David Fotland wrote:
You should also give more credit to CrazyStone as an early strong program
that contributed many ideas, comparable to Mogo. Remi is Aja's advisor,
so
Erica continues the CrazyStone thread.
I did mention CrazyStone, and the Sensei's page lists it first as the
program that "started the new wave of MCTS programs by winning the 9x9
gold medal at the ICGA Computer Olympiad, in 2006." Like I said in my
first message, though, it's hard to assign credit, and I don't mean to
slight other programs.
However, MoGo was the program that really got people to sit up and take
notice, because it started dominating all the KGS computer events and
CGOS, and also was the first to extend that dominance from 9x9 to 19x19.
I believe the biggest breakthroughs were made with MoGo (building, of
course, on earlier ideas). This is easily verified by going back to the
archives and seeing how many people patterned their program after MoGo.
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