The edge-move veto was conditional.   I think the condition was that there
must be no stones nearby and I think nearby was within 2 points (cannot be
touching,  our touching a point that is touching.)    But I'm not positive
that was the correct rule.

I would be willing to use Fotland Bot's but I'm not sure he has linux
versions and also I don't know if he is willing to pass them around to us.

Don


On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 1:04 AM, René van de Veerdonk <
[email protected]> wrote:

> For Pachi the data has already been posted by Jean-Loup, and for Fuego
> there is also a published ceiling according to the scaling study in the
> (free download) paper from Richard Segal on BlueFuego (someone sent out a
> link within the last two weeks, too lazy to check who). Being limited to
> Linux rules my cpu's out, otherwise I wouldn't mind donating some cores.
> Also, if David is willing to donate executables to the study, I don't see
> why that's not acceptable, i.e., that's as good as "free" to me.
>
> I am running a mini-scaling experiment on CGOS 9x9 right now using the AMAF
> standard bots (as originally implemented by Don Dailey) with and without
> edge-move veto's. They now have all received about 10,000 games, I should
> stop it and summarize the data (this experiment also confirmed that
> Elo-ratings converged to below 9 Elo sigma). Each level doubles the number
> of playouts. Obviously, CGOS time settings won't allow too many doublings
> before you run out of time, so there is only 6 levels for each
> configuration. I did find it noteworthy that the ratings in the Bayes-Elo
> list are more as expected (in that the ranking is what I would expect) as
> compared to the incremental ones on the server itself.
>
> René
>
> On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 8:54 PM, David Fotland <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Maybe Pachi and Fuego?  They are both free I think.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> David****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:
>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Don Dailey
>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 18, 2011 3:11 PM
>>
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* Re: [Computer-go] scalability study****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Unfortunatelly again, all of my pcs are busy for my research
>>
>> work/experiments in this year or more (perhaps, until I'll finish my
>> thesis).****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> If we do a study it won't be dependent on any particular computer,  it
>> will be a big group effort and we should only use programs that are
>> available on all the target machines.   ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> It will be very easy to manage if it's done via ssh to remote linux
>> computers.  It's also possible to set up remote ssh on windows,  but I have
>> no idea how to do that and don't want to get into it unless someone else is
>> willing to take the lead on this.   Stuff like this is always hard in
>> Windows and easy on Unix. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> What are the best 2 programs that are freely available for such a study
>> (that we do not have to pay for) so that we can get some people willing to
>> give me an account on their machine?    ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Don****
>>
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