Tom,
The UI which you claims suck in osx actually
comes from Darwin (iirc) and not BSD per se. 
I don't know any compelling technical reason
why a OS9 not UI could be implemented on top of BSD
(even on top of *nix, X-Windows based technology).

Listening to you OSX critiques, I could never quite figure
out if Apple was having trouble trying to merge to two different
UI's, or if the BSD (Darwin/Gnome?) UI sucked all by itself, or if Apple
has just lost focus on the UI. 
(Of course I am not too qualified to comment on the classic Apple UI,
since I just figured out that my apple mouse actually does have 
"two" buttons)
-Paul Meyer

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--- On Tue, 7/1/08, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [CGUYS] OMG! Gates Agrees With Tom
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 1:04 PM
> >During his farewell event at Microsoft this morning,
> Gates referred to this,
> >and poked a little fun at us: "One of the
> newspapers had some e-mail that I
> >sent about how maybe Windows could have been better at
> something, and they
> >said, 'This is a shocking e-mail. Shocking!'
> And I said, 'What do you think
> >I do all day? Sending an e-mail like that, that is my
> job. That's what it's
> >all about. We're here to make things better.
> 
> Okay. He doesn't completely agree with me. He knows
> Windows sucks, but 
> mistakenly thinks he can apply band aids to make it better.
> I guess he 
> either did not read or did not understand Demming. Demming
> teaches that 
> quality is not something you lard on afterwards, you have
> to build it in 
> from the start.
> 
> A great example is Apple's OS X. OS X sucks because it
> is based on BSD 
> Unix, which sucks. After eight years of trying to paper
> over the problems 
> OS X still sucks. OS 9, while now outdated, was much better
> because they 
> got the critical user interface things right the first
> time. This weekend 
> I got my wife to upgrade from 9 to X and having to explain
> the OS X UI 
> absurdities was maddening.
> 
> iPod was so great because Apple got the UI right from the
> beginning.
> 
> iPhone I don't know. If it is based on OS X it may very
> well suck too.
> 
> 
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