I'm with you Karl. +1
- Mark On 9/29/10 11:08 AM, Karl Wright wrote: > May I point out that we've been discussing this issue for over two months now? > > We just went through a process of gathering names, came up with some > 35 candidates, and voted to rank them. This process just ended, our > best candidate turned out to not have been submitted properly, but we > still have some 15 other names that people legitimately selected, > ranked in order. > > Prior to that, we did a previous round where we did EXACTLY the same > thing, and Apache Connectors Framework was the winning selection, > followed by ManifoldCF. It sounds now like you are looking for yet a > third round? Unless you claim that the candidate list was simply not > broad enough, I can see no hope of gain by doing that. > > Karl > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Upayavira <[email protected]> wrote: >> Some while back I suggested manifolio. But that breaches the four >> syllable rule :-) >> >> How about Manifole? >> >> I'd say rather than bursting into votes, keep the discussion going, I >> suspect you'll know when you've got enough of the community behind you, >> and when it is then worth wrapping the whole thing up with a vote - at >> which point the vote is a mere formality. >> >> Worth giving it the effort now, see this recent post [1] - a name is >> going to stay with us all for a long time! >> >> Upayavira >> >> [1] http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/2010/09/first-time-right >> >> On Tue, 2010-09-28 at 20:08 -0400, Karl Wright wrote: >>> Actually, an abbreviation of "AMCF" is not bad either.... kinda like >>> that myself. But I'm still not sure I like any of the book title >>> choices I've offered myself here. >>> >>> Do we dare use "Manifold Connectors Framework in Action"? and >>> describe AMCF as "Manifold Connectors Framework" at times? >>> >>> Karl >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Karl Wright <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> If this is adopted, I'm thinking we could use it in the following ways: >>>> >>>> Abbreviation: "MCF" >>>> Short name: "ManifoldCF" >>>> Qualified short name: "Apache ManifoldCF" >>>> Fully qualified and unabbreviated name: "the Apache Manifold >>>> Connectors Framework" >>>> >>>> I'm not quite sure what the world will think of that last usage, since >>>> it does not contain the trademark. Then again, neither does the >>>> abbreviation. But I'm not sure I'd dare make the book title be >>>> "Apache Manifold Connectors Framework in Action". It would probably >>>> need to be "Apache ManifoldCF in Action", or just "ManifoldCF in >>>> Action". >>>> >>>> Grant, you wrote a book. What do you think? Which title should be used? >>>> >>>> Karl >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Jack Krupansky >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> -1 for me. Standing alone it's an okay name, but trying to actually use it >>>>> is a pain (and we might as well call it MCF). But I'll certainly go along >>>>> with the majority. >>>>> >>>>> -- Jack Krupansky >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: "Karl Wright" <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:25 PM >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF >>>>> >>>>>> Ok, I just want an up-or-down vote on ManifoldCF at this point. +1 from >>>>>> me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Karl >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Mark Miller <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/28/10 7:10 PM, Jack Krupansky wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fair enough. I could live with any of the other choices, but having >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> "CF" suffix really messes a lot of stuff up and is less practical than >>>>>>>> any of the other names. Basically, it means we may end up having to use >>>>>>>> "MCF" as the shorthand name. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wait... stop the presses... I just realized that "ManifoldCF" violates >>>>>>>> selection rule #5: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (5) No more than 4 syllables >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Man-I-fold-C-F (or is in Ma-ni-fold-C-F.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's five syllables. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ManifoldCF was already in the running. And its obvious that having too >>>>>>> many syllables is not a problem - it was the second most voted name - >>>>>>> for the *second* time at least (who can track all these votes). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And, technically, I would say that it at least half violates the spirit >>>>>>>> of rule #1: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (1) It's a single word >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is a single word plus this extra "CF" acronym thing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's a stretch that the rational part of my brain is going to ignore. >>>>>>> This is no argument. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, next candidate on the list was... Manicon, 19 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Unless it has legal problems, it fits our requirements. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Okay, lets vote again. For some reason ManifoldCF will stop topping the >>>>>>> list why? Everyone will come to their senses? Some of us are so sick of >>>>>>> this name thing we won't vote, and if your lucky those will be the >>>>>>> ManifoldCF supporters? I mean come on... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- Jack Krupansky >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> From: "Karl Wright" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:52 PM >>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jack, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's one of the main purposes of having everyone list choices by >>>>>>>>> priority. If one doesn't work, there are others you can use. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't want to open that vote again unless the community decides that >>>>>>>>> the list of candidate names was simply not rich enough to furnish a >>>>>>>>> good choice. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Karl >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Jack Krupansky >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Or Nocon or Noman. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I know people are tired of voting, but I think we should really >>>>>>>>>> re-vote for >>>>>>>>>> the revised candidate list with Connex removed. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- Jack Krupansky >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>> From: "Mark Miller" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:43 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> hmmm...I think I'm all voted out. Can we just call it nothing? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 9/28/10 6:40 PM, Karl Wright wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Vote +1 to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Apache ManifoldCF. >>>>>>>>>>>> Vote -1 to keep the project name of Connectors Framework, or to >>>>>>>>>>>> retain >>>>>>>>>>>> Connex, if that wins its vote. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This vote also expires end of day on Friday. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Note: "Manifold" is a trademark for a GIS software product. >>>>>>>>>>>> However, >>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Grant that ManifoldCF appearing under the Apache label >>>>>>>>>>>> should be safe to be used. But you should recognize that this vote >>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>> not merely a referendum on the name itself, but also on the >>>>>>>>>>>> suitability of the name in a legal context. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Karl >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> >> >>
