<= 0 means failure. Karl
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Jack Krupansky <jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com> wrote: > Ah, okay, that's cool. So if the vote fails (<= 0 or < 0?), we would then > vote on the next choice, which is... "Manicon". > > -- Jack Krupansky > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Karl Wright" <daddy...@gmail.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:01 PM > To: <connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org> > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF > >> We're trying for an up/down confirmation of ManifoldCF as a new name >> for the project. If it succeeds, that's our name. If it fails, it's >> on to the next-highest-ranking choice. Right now score is 0. >> >> Karl >> >> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Jack Krupansky >> <jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com> wrote: >>> >>> My apologies for not vetting connex properly. I actually do recall seeing >>> the sourceforge project project now when reminded of it, but I was >>> working >>> too quickly and didn't get around to editing my list right away and >>> forgot >>> about it. And I assumed that Karl was going to vet names "properly" >>> anyway. >>> So... it's my fault that "manicon" wasn't there as the top choice when >>> people voted! >>> >>> In any case, I think I have lost track of where we were in the process... >>> voting +1/-1 on keeping ManifoldCF vs. staying with Apache Connectors >>> Framework, I think? And with other Karl and I voting on that so far (+1 >>> and >>> -1)? I'll let Karl send out a proper reminder of wherever he says we are. >>> >>> -- Jack Krupansky >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Karl Wright" <daddy...@gmail.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:08 AM >>> To: <connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org> >>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF >>> >>>> May I point out that we've been discussing this issue for over two >>>> months >>>> now? >>>> >>>> We just went through a process of gathering names, came up with some >>>> 35 candidates, and voted to rank them. This process just ended, our >>>> best candidate turned out to not have been submitted properly, but we >>>> still have some 15 other names that people legitimately selected, >>>> ranked in order. >>>> >>>> Prior to that, we did a previous round where we did EXACTLY the same >>>> thing, and Apache Connectors Framework was the winning selection, >>>> followed by ManifoldCF. It sounds now like you are looking for yet a >>>> third round? Unless you claim that the candidate list was simply not >>>> broad enough, I can see no hope of gain by doing that. >>>> >>>> Karl >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Upayavira <u...@odoko.co.uk> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Some while back I suggested manifolio. But that breaches the four >>>>> syllable rule :-) >>>>> >>>>> How about Manifole? >>>>> >>>>> I'd say rather than bursting into votes, keep the discussion going, I >>>>> suspect you'll know when you've got enough of the community behind you, >>>>> and when it is then worth wrapping the whole thing up with a vote - at >>>>> which point the vote is a mere formality. >>>>> >>>>> Worth giving it the effort now, see this recent post [1] - a name is >>>>> going to stay with us all for a long time! >>>>> >>>>> Upayavira >>>>> >>>>> [1] http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/2010/09/first-time-right >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 2010-09-28 at 20:08 -0400, Karl Wright wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Actually, an abbreviation of "AMCF" is not bad either.... kinda like >>>>>> that myself. But I'm still not sure I like any of the book title >>>>>> choices I've offered myself here. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do we dare use "Manifold Connectors Framework in Action"? and >>>>>> describe AMCF as "Manifold Connectors Framework" at times? >>>>>> >>>>>> Karl >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Karl Wright <daddy...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > If this is adopted, I'm thinking we could use it in the following > >>>>>> > ways: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Abbreviation: "MCF" >>>>>> > Short name: "ManifoldCF" >>>>>> > Qualified short name: "Apache ManifoldCF" >>>>>> > Fully qualified and unabbreviated name: "the Apache Manifold >>>>>> > Connectors Framework" >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I'm not quite sure what the world will think of that last usage, > >>>>>> > since >>>>>> > it does not contain the trademark. Then again, neither does the >>>>>> > abbreviation. But I'm not sure I'd dare make the book title be >>>>>> > "Apache Manifold Connectors Framework in Action". It would probably >>>>>> > need to be "Apache ManifoldCF in Action", or just "ManifoldCF in >>>>>> > Action". >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Grant, you wrote a book. What do you think? Which title should be >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > used? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Karl >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Jack Krupansky >>>>>> > <jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com> wrote: >>>>>> >> -1 for me. Standing alone it's an okay name, but trying to actually >>>>>> >> >> use it >>>>>> >> is a pain (and we might as well call it MCF). But I'll certainly go >>>>>> >> >> along >>>>>> >> with the majority. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> -- Jack Krupansky >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >> From: "Karl Wright" <daddy...@gmail.com> >>>>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:25 PM >>>>>> >> To: <connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org> >>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to >> >>>>>> >> ManifoldCF >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>> Ok, I just want an up-or-down vote on ManifoldCF at this point. >>>>>> >>> >>> +1 >>>>>> >>> >>> from >>>>>> >>> me. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Karl >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Mark Miller >>> >>>>>> >>> <markrmil...@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> On 9/28/10 7:10 PM, Jack Krupansky wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Fair enough. I could live with any of the other choices, but >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> having this >>>>>> >>>>> "CF" suffix really messes a lot of stuff up and is less >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> practical >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> than >>>>>> >>>>> any of the other names. Basically, it means we may end up having >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> to use >>>>>> >>>>> "MCF" as the shorthand name. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Wait... stop the presses... I just realized that "ManifoldCF" >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> violates >>>>>> >>>>> selection rule #5: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> (5) No more than 4 syllables >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Man-I-fold-C-F (or is in Ma-ni-fold-C-F.) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> That's five syllables. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> ManifoldCF was already in the running. And its obvious that >>>> >>>>>> >>>> having >>>>>> >>>> >>>> too >>>>>> >>>> many syllables is not a problem - it was the second most voted >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> name - >>>>>> >>>> for the *second* time at least (who can track all these votes). >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> And, technically, I would say that it at least half violates the >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> spirit >>>>>> >>>>> of rule #1: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> (1) It's a single word >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> It is a single word plus this extra "CF" acronym thing. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> That's a stretch that the rational part of my brain is going to >>>>>> >>>> >>>> ignore. >>>>>> >>>> This is no argument. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> So, next candidate on the list was... Manicon, 19 >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Unless it has legal problems, it fits our requirements. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Okay, lets vote again. For some reason ManifoldCF will stop >>>> >>>>>> >>>> topping >>>>>> >>>> >>>> the >>>>>> >>>> list why? Everyone will come to their senses? Some of us are so >>>>>> >>>> >>>> sick of >>>>>> >>>> this name thing we won't vote, and if your lucky those will be >>>>>> >>>> >>>> the >>>>>> >>>> ManifoldCF supporters? I mean come on... >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- Jack Krupansky >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>> From: "Karl Wright" <daddy...@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:52 PM >>>>>> >>>>> To: <connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org> >>>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ManifoldCF >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jack, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That's one of the main purposes of having everyone list choices >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> by >>>>>> >>>>>> priority. If one doesn't work, there are others you can use. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't want to open that vote again unless the community >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> decides >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> that >>>>>> >>>>>> the list of candidate names was simply not rich enough to >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> furnish >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> a >>>>>> >>>>>> good choice. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Karl >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Jack Krupansky >>>>>> >>>>>> <jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Or Nocon or Noman. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I know people are tired of voting, but I think we should >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> really >>>>>> >>>>>>> re-vote for >>>>>> >>>>>>> the revised candidate list with Connex removed. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Jack Krupansky >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "Mark Miller" <markrmil...@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:43 PM >>>>>> >>>>>>> To: <connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ManifoldCF >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> hmmm...I think I'm all voted out. Can we just call it >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> nothing? >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/28/10 6:40 PM, Karl Wright wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Vote +1 to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Apache >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ManifoldCF. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Vote -1 to keep the project name of Connectors Framework, or >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> retain >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Connex, if that wins its vote. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This vote also expires end of day on Friday. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Note: "Manifold" is a trademark for a GIS software product. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> However, >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I agree with Grant that ManifoldCF appearing under the >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Apache >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> label >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> should be safe to be used. But you should recognize that >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> vote >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> not merely a referendum on the name itself, but also on the >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> suitability of the name in a legal context. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Karl >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >
