-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 FACORAT Fabrice wrote: > Le sam 09/08/2003 � 13:00, Danny Tholen a �crit : > >>[Contrib-RPM] >> >>-=-=-=- >>Name : kernel-multimedia-2.4.21.1mm.6mdk Relocations: (not relocateable) >>Version : 1 Vendor: MandrakeSoft >>Release : 1mdk Build Date: Sat Aug 9 11:54:06 2003 > > > > I just wonder if kernel-multimedia should not be included by default > when the user make a desktop install ( ok, there is not really a > desktop/server class during install, so maybe propose if the user want > to optimise is system for multimedia and if Y, then install > kernel-multimedia instead of standard kernel ).
mm kernel is in contrib => not on CDs. > > > Here are my points : > - normal user need a working supermount ( no erratic CDROM/floppy > access pb, no pb when transfering a large file from CDROM to HD ). Most > of the time we advise mdk to newbies because they will have a simple > installation, good config tools, and ... supermount. Indeed newcomers > don't appreciate and understand well mount/umount mecanism and they are > fed up with it when they try to change the CD and they can't because of > a console or even fam after having access it wia konqueror. So > supermount-ng is interesting for them. Supermount should work in the stock kernel, or should be removed. MCSE-style server administrators also want reliable access to CDs. > - normal user are doing : web surfing, multimedia ( mp3/ogg, > avi/divx/qt ). That's why in each review reviewers complain about the > fact RH remove mp3 support in their distro. For this kind of activities, > good interactivity is a plus. so 0(1) secheduler, low-latency patches > are interesting. But mp3 support has nothing to do with kernel patches really. > > standard kernel should be for server like activities : best stability, > throughput, acl, security, scalability. You don't need supermount on a > server, or low latency. > > [*] Note : kernel enterprise is suitable is you have more than 1Gb of > RAM. if your server have less, you end up with normal kernel, so > kernel-enterprise is for server with ... many RAM. > Now if with HIGHMEM support a kernel is not slower or too slower than a > kernel without it, standard kernel could be remove and so u have just > kernel-enterprise, kernel-smp and kernel-secure. What about low-end servers?? We have a P133/32MB firewall (currently MNF8.2), I don't want to lose some ram to HIGHMEM support. > > [*] Note 2 : you can't put too fancy stuff in standard if you want to > preserve stability, but sometimes you need bleeding edge tech for the > users. mdk use to have latest packages versions, bleeding edge tech ( > supermount, devfs, hotplug, ... ) even sometimes they sacrify stability. > Even worse they release sometimes buggy versions ( see 9.0 supermount > disaster and a little less 9.1 supermount pb ), but it was because > focusing on desktop they want to have bleeding edge tech. For a desktop > PC u don't need the best stability ( 436 days of uptime, heavy load > during 48 hours without a fail, etc ... ). You just need something > stable enough ( don't crash for stupid things or if the PC is unused > even during 6 months ). So that's why you can use bleeding edge tech if > they are "stable enough". Hmmm, should be more stable than the competition, which is not trivial these days. > So I understand if Juan Quintela don't want to include supermount-ng, Instead, include a supermount with known bugs? > low-latency and maybe other fancy stuff. But for desktop user ... it's > good for server, maybe workstation, but not for desktop user. Most of > the time they want bleeding edge. Ok, mdk provide kernel-multimedia on > third CD, and ? Are you going to tell the user to install by hand this > kernel after the install ? and if they are using for example nvidia > drivers ? they install kernel-multimedia, reboot, black screen, "help, > help ... blabla - you need to reinstall nvidia drivers - how can i do it > ? Well where did they get NVidia drivers for their kernel? We could consider making NVidia driver RPMS for mm kernel for Club for example. > bla bla - bla bla bla " and so on on IRC/forum/ML. No this need to be > done at install stage, before XFree install installation in order to > cope with this kind of pb. > swiss knife are good ( mdk may be considered as the swiss knife of linux > ), but with a swiss knife you can't do all that you want if you want to > cook well or be more than McGiver. IMHO, Juan needs to apply the patches sent to him, otherwise the stock kernel has problems in either role. Mandrakesoft may not want to officially support the -mm kernel (means providing/testing kernel updates for it also). Regards, Buchan - -- |--------------Another happy Mandrake Club member--------------| Buchan Milne Mechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work +27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/OPkjrJK6UGDSBKcRAuDhAJ9oD8b+rgzp9Si79iM4ZHvf58VgEACgxfCT Jt5Y6SwPhhjwQwXTB+Ve+yA= =MCtW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ****************************************************************** Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. ******************************************************************
