Le mar 12/08/2003 � 16:27, Buchan Milne a �crit : > FACORAT Fabrice wrote: > > > > supermount is not a necessity, > > No, it's a convenience, which newbies should enjoy.
I'm talking for server. It's a convenience, but not a necessity and most admin in their Unix book will read mount/umount. > >>But mp3 support has nothing to do with kernel patches really. > > > > > > yeah, it as to do with putting bledding edge features, and what desktop > > users wants. > > Mp3 isn't a bleeding edge feature I think. indeed, it's what user want ( point n�2 ) ;) > > > > so that's why I ask if there are issues with HIGHMEM support. So you > > point one ( mem consumption ). others one ? Now you can even balances > > advantages/issues in order to see what to do. Does mdksoft want to > > target low-end server, etc ... > > When we could be stealing market share from RH AS 2.1 or SLES 8, the > only distro's certified for Oracle clusters? so make MDK Server Edition be certified ! > I don't think we can afford > to not target low-end. If there is a market and if people with low end server buy the distro ... > And you think it's better having a desktop kernel available than to have > more bugs fixed in the default kernel? Should we not have the updated > from Thomas fixing server drivers (is AIC7xxx in stock kernel up-to-date > now?). bug fix ( latest aic7xxx drivers ) and bleeding edge ( 0(1) sched, low latency, preempt ) are different. > Well, then they know how to fix it, they can't complain "help, black > screen". No, they don't know. It's not obvious for a windows user that when you change kernel you have to reinstall nvidia driver ! On top of that if the user used to have a card with native XFree support, when it changes its kernel, he never need to change kernel. It's not obvious for most people. > >> We could > >>consider making NVidia driver RPMS for mm kernel for Club for example. > > > > maybe, but most of them won't be in mdkclub. > > > > Maybe more will be in MandrakeClub when they realise it provides things > like this (ie being able to setup Nvidia via XFdrake after entering Club > memberhip details should work, not command-line use at all). yeah but most won't do it ! They don't even know if they will stay with linux more than a week, they are not going to subscribe to Club ! > > That's the pb. mdksoft target desktop/server/workstation market. But > > when you look at the distro it's like a batard, it's not natural. > > i.e u can use for desktop, but it miss some things. > > Like what? Does any other disto ship a low-loat, preempt kernel? maybe gentoo ... don't know. If no, then mdk should do it first before Lindows/Xandros do it. > > You can use it for > > server but all this bleeding edge packages make u feel that you may end > > up with something not sure. > Sorry, I don't buy it. Also, Redhat's glibc in RH9 was so broken you > could not use it in any environment with large numbers of users, you had > to wait about 6 weeks after release to be able to use it in a large > Windows domain (for example). As i said before RH new glibc ( NPTL ) and gcc2.96 case are corner cases > > they want workstation/server ? so they should do as Suse ( special > > workstation edition, fully customise ) or RH. > > Too expensive, and you need 3rd-party apps certified. Best market IMHO > is corporate uniform desktops (ie not scientific-specific use, but > office-work). Not sure ... you need visibility, and workstation/server market provide visibility. I wonder how much money Suse made with the Munich contract ... > > They want want firewall market ? do a special version for firewall. They > > do it well with SNF/MNF. The product is customise and provide config > > tools customised for it. > > BTW, snf packages work fine on 9.1, I have about 6 MNF boxes in > production, only one is really MNF8.2 ... But I don't even want to try, because : 1�/ I didn' knew I could do it 2�/ I don't want to have support pb > > > > They need to see what they want to target. When they know they should > > customised the distro for them and thus by providing several specific > > distro. > > With their swiss knife you will have people using it but IT and big > > vendors not. Look the HP deal. They provide mdk on their workstation but > > not on their server, they'd rather use Suse ( or RH ). Why ? notoriety, > > specific products customised for this task. > > Well, IMHO, Mandrake is better on a server than Redhat ... > and saves admin time ... true. mdk strenght is admin tools even if they are perfectible.
