"Timothy R. Butler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Quite frankly, Mandrake 9.1 has a LOT of showstopper/serious bugs still. One 
> long time Linux user I know who I sold on Mandrake 8.2, but couldn't get 9.0 
> to install on several machines, has already posted on another list that he is 

There are two kinds of bugs: hardware and software. People who
can't install mostly experience hardware problems, and for this
kind of problems we have little influence for fixing..

> resigning himself to not upgrading to 9.1, because of all the problems he had 
> with RC1. He quite resonably realized that nine days just isn't enough to fix 

Funny :). A guy who resign using a stable release only because
the beta release contained bugs :).

>   - Bug #2268: Every wheel mouse I try is not detected properly. This includes 
> an IntelliMouse and a Logitech MX 700 (both using PS/2). 

We *cannot* detect PS/2 wheel mice.
 
>   Now, this is what I ask. Mandrake, as I understand it, still has major 
> financial problems (I think that goes without saying since it is still in 
> bankruptcy protection). It may be that things should go better this year, but 
> if Mandrake 9.1 comes out with all kinds of annoying and/or showstopper 
> problems (like an SB Live! card being impossible to install), then it 
> probably won't get good reviews or sell well. I would think a bad sales 
> period for a distribution release right now could make creditors a lot less 
> favorable about Mandrake's situation.

Let it clear: we all want the most bug-free release possible.
Though, there are several parameters in the equation:

- by ourselves, we can't extensively test the distribution;
  hence, we need external testers: mostly people from cooker, and
  non-cooker people who test betas/rcs; this has limits because
  of mirror courtesy, mirroring time, and testers' motivation

- we have little chance to fix hardware problems ourselves

- when you go down fixing smaller and smaller software bugs:

   - developers's motivation decreases

   - you increase the probability to break larger things (because
     many things interact w/ each other), thus you still need to
     test "all", and testing "all" needs time and motivation
     (both internal and external)

   - the distro becomes more and more outdated

- not all bugs are important; people who experience bugs worry
  about it but sometimes they are nearly the only ones having it,
  and they not all deserve delaying a release

- we provide updates


-- 
Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/

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