----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]----Warren, I'll try and forward your post to the list. Your points are mine exactly. Canyon turns are maneuvers that you can practice all you want on flat land, but never, I repeat NEVER get yourself into a situation where you have to use one. The conditions, when you actually need to use one, are never the same as when you practice it. When you need to use one, you'll be going 75 mph and trying to climb up and over. At 75 mph you're going to stall, or at least lose hundreds of feet before your 180 is done.
By the way, contact Tom. He'll get your smilin face back on the list.
Larry
Hampton wrote:
Larry, I can't print to the list for some reason. I been wanting to say the same think. Hot days at Alt. Just aint no time to have to do "canyon turns". You would be in a no win / no win spot. You can't even bend over to kiss it good-by. Flat landers! They would be better served to learn how not to fly into a canyon. As someone pointed out you fly down canyons. But first >know< where in the hell you are. If you can't see the other side DON'T fly an Ercoupe there. A year or more ago I was read NTSB reports. One was of a fellow in an Alon. Could not make it over the top. Other flying with him saw him turning but to late. He flew it into the tree top. The problem was. Hot weather, at high Alt, with wind blowing over the tops. He in fact flew him self to death. Flyin slow into the wind on the leeward side. You can't stand an Ercoupe on it wing tip. Not at slow speeds. Even here in San Diego we have a 6000+ mountain. That has more Aluminum than Reynolds. As you pointed out the wind can do you in quicker than you can say "Oh Sh** " Warren H. PS: Found a guy that did the woodwing change. Thank again for your efforts.-----Original Message-----
From: Larry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 3:58 PM
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Subject: Re: [COUPERS] Canyon Turns
----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]----Dear Smart Ass (your words, not mine) See! See! That mean streak pops out even now, every once in a while. Sorry! But, I've been listening to this bunk for a couple of days now. Having learned to fly in mountainous country, I'll say that the maneuver you're describing is only good for flat land, and at least 5,000 ft AGL. Do not, I repeat, do not attempt this feat while flying into a canyon. If you do, there is a good chance we'll be reading about you soon. Many, I repeat, many an aircraft kissed old mother earth while getting boxed into a canyon and the pilot couldn't make the aforementioned maneuver. Practice all you want out in to clear blue sky, but don't ever go into that canyon thinking you've got it licked. I've seen down drafts that would far out pace any amount of climb you could coax out of any Coupe living. You want to fly canyons? Come over the top and fly down the canyon.Larry
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----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]----OK... here is our own disclaimer:
This manuever as described is assuming that the airplane IS properly
rigged, Pilot properly checked out in doing so by a CFI, concrete tie downs
removed prior to take-off, BOTH (this is important) wings attached.
The coupe is realistically the BEST airplane to perform this manuever
as long as it is properly rigged. Other than perhaps a glider.Andy~
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