Sam Varshavchik wrote on 07/09/2008 01:06 AM:
> Chuck Williams writes:
>
>> I'm not knowingly running any other mail server.  Exim4 was initially 
>> installed on the machine, but was removed when I installed courier.  
>> It is not running now.  Here is an example of the logging for a 
>> message I just sent from my gmail account to [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>>
>> Jul  8 19:35:10 aloha courieresmtpd: started,ip=[::ffff:209.85.146.176]
>> Jul  8 19:35:11 aloha courierd: 
>> newmsg,id=0000000001930439.0000000048744E0F.00003B27: dns; 
>> wa-out-1112.google.com ([::ffff:209.85.146.176])
>> Jul  8 19:35:11 aloha courierd: 
>> started,id=0000000001930439.0000000048744E0F.00003B27,from=<[EMAIL 
>> PROTECTED]>,module=local,host=chuck!!1002!1002!/home/chuck!!,addr=<chuck> 
>>
>> Jul  8 19:35:11 aloha courierd: Waiting.  shutdown time=none, wakeup 
>> time=Tue Jul  8 20:36:15 2008, queuedelivering=5, inprogress=1
>> Jul  8 19:35:11 aloha courierlocal: 
>> id=0000000001930439.0000000048744E0F.00003B27,from=<[EMAIL 
>> PROTECTED]>,addr=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,size=2593,success: 
>> Message delivered.
>> Jul  8 19:35:11 aloha courierd: 
>> completed,id=0000000001930439.0000000048744E0F.00003B27
>> Jul  8 19:35:11 aloha courierd: Waiting.  shutdown time=Tue Jul  8 
>> 20:01:50 2008, wakeup time=Tue Jul  8 20:01:50 2008, 
>> queuedelivering=4, inprogress=0
>>
>> This looks analogous to the above.  Are you saying this means that 
>> Courier is handling the local delivery, but somehow not handling the 
>> incoming mail from google?
>
> No, the above is a reasonable set of log messages for processing such 
> a message. However, your previous excerpt had nothing that showed 
> Courier delivering a message to the -help address.
>
> You can always use grep to search your syslog for log entries related 
> to the -help address.

I just subscribed another email address by sending a message to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  This forwarded the subscription 
request to the list owner, who was able to confirm it, upon which I 
received the confirmation and became a member, all as expected.  I then 
sent a message from this same account to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
This message did not return the help template -- instead it was 
forwarded to the list owner.

Note the difference in syslog:

aloha:/var/log# grep '\-subscribe' syslog
Jul  9 09:19:42 aloha courierlocal: 
id=0000000001930270.0000000048750F4E.00005A25,from=<[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>,addr=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,size=1576,success: 
Message delivered.
aloha:/var/log# grep '\-help' syslog
aloha:/var/log#

Sam, all evidence says you are right that the sanghas-help address is 
not being received and distributed to cmlm correctly.  My original test 
of export DEFAULT=help and then calling couriermlm directly establishes 
that cmlm handles sanghas-help properly if the help is parsed out 
through the dot-courier delivery mechanism.

But why would parsing of sanghas-subscribe work properly, while parsing 
of sanghas-help does not?

Here are all the dot-courier files:

aloha:/home/sanghas# ls -a
.  ..  .bash_history  .courier    .courier-default  .courier-owner  
.emacs.d  sanghas-list
aloha:/home/sanghas# cat .courier
| /usr/bin/couriermlm msg /home/sanghas/sanghas-list
aloha:/home/sanghas# cat .courier-default
| /usr/bin/couriermlm ctlmsg /home/sanghas/sanghas-list
aloha:/home/sanghas# cat .courier-owner
/home/suga/Maildir
aloha:/home/sanghas#

Further I have double-checked my courier local-delivery aliases and none 
are for sanghas.

This is is just bizarre.

I'd like to request that a future version of webmlm provide at least the 
email address being subscribed to the moderator.  For web-initiated 
subscriptions at present the moderator gets no information about which 
email address wants to subscribe.  When subscriptions are sent through 
email (to -subscribe) at least the email address and subject of the 
email are provided (better would be to include the body).  The web 
submission needs at least the email address, else the moderator as no 
information with which to make a decision, and ideally the web 
submission would also provide blanks to fill in subject and body.  I'm 
going to try to patch this myself and will submit anything I come up.

I've still got 4 messages in the mailq, each with a few unfulfilled 
recipients.  There are no messages in the archive.  These messages are 
all of the list traffic since setup a couple days ago.  Does archiving 
happen only after delivery is complete and the message exits the mailq?  
That seems strange, but if it doesn't work that way, I need to track 
down why the archive isn't working.

Unrelated, I'm setting all this up now as I just migrated the 
manawiz.com server to a new box.  I took courier down on the old box 
during the migration of the Maildirs (yes, that's laziness) and during 
that approx 12-hour outage was apparently dropped from courier-users.  
At least I stopped receiving messages and was rejected as a non-member 
when I tried to send one.  I resubscribed to the list, but now am 
getting every message twice, so it appears I'm somehow on their twice.  
Can that be fixed?

Thanks,

Chuck


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