Tony, in the long run I am sure you are correct. But I think the solutions
to the crisis we are facing need to be addressed as soon as possible, which
means we need to start the ball rolling within a capitalist system. If we
wait until things are so bad that the system falls apart of its own accord
then we will be inheriting a planet that makes the mess we already have look
like a paradise, and thus our options would be much more constrained. I
think that the capitalist structure is amenable to change, that has been
proven in the past. Elites do what they have to in order to maintain power,
even if that means making life better for others. Of course they also will
take these things back when they perceive the threat to be over. So my hope
is that we can make positive changes in the here and now while also looking
towards the future in which we can change the fundamental power relations in
society.
Sincerely, Aaron
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>Here's the problem, John. All of the marxists on the list are agreed
>on one thing, if nothing else. There is no positive role for
>capitalism to play in avoiding The Crash.
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>If you have a plan that finds a positive role for capitalism to play in
>the future ahead, then let us know. We'd like to hear it.
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>Meanwhile, most of the theorizing that goes on, is in regard to how to
>get rid of capitalism so that the world can then reconstruct what's left
>of it to reconstruct.
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>If you knock marxist theorizing as being not of import to avoiding the
>crash, then you must seem to also believe that capitalist society can be
>reformed into avoiding its current destructiveness. Please tell us
>how so. We're willing to listen.
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>Tony
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>Thank you Tony. I don't know about Aaron but I am not particularly
>interested in the finer points of Marxist (or any other) theory or
>theology. They would only be of value if they could offer a demonstrable
>and practical way of avoiding the crash - which, although it sometimes
>seems most contributors have forgotten - is the whole point of this
>group (as far as I know).
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>Having been on the group for a few weeks, it seems to me that in spite
>of Mark's good efforts to keep discussion more or less on topic and
>presented in a reasonably positive manner, it might nevertheless be a
>good idea for the group to split into two separate e-groups: those who
>want to talk and duel endlessly about theories and theologies and those
>who are genuinely interested in finding, discussing and positively
>debating practical and readily understandable ideas and ways of avoiding
>the crash. Alternatively, perhaps someone already knows of such a group
>in which case I'll sign up to it.
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>All the best.
>John
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