More common sense!! This is great!! Thank you Aaron.
John
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From: "aaron hoffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [CrashList] Re:Will Anyone Take Any Notice???
>
> Tony, in the long run I am sure you are correct. But I think the
solutions
> to the crisis we are facing need to be addressed as soon as possible,
which
> means we need to start the ball rolling within a capitalist system. If we
> wait until things are so bad that the system falls apart of its own accord
> then we will be inheriting a planet that makes the mess we already have
look
> like a paradise, and thus our options would be much more constrained. I
> think that the capitalist structure is amenable to change, that has been
> proven in the past. Elites do what they have to in order to maintain
power,
> even if that means making life better for others. Of course they also will
> take these things back when they perceive the threat to be over. So my
hope
> is that we can make positive changes in the here and now while also
looking
> towards the future in which we can change the fundamental power relations
in
> society.
>
> Sincerely, Aaron
>
> >
> >Here's the problem, John. All of the marxists on the list are agreed
> >on one thing, if nothing else. There is no positive role for
> >capitalism to play in avoiding The Crash.
> >
> >If you have a plan that finds a positive role for capitalism to play in
> >the future ahead, then let us know. We'd like to hear it.
> >
> >Meanwhile, most of the theorizing that goes on, is in regard to how to
> >get rid of capitalism so that the world can then reconstruct what's left
> >of it to reconstruct.
> >
> >If you knock marxist theorizing as being not of import to avoiding the
> >crash, then you must seem to also believe that capitalist society can be
> >reformed into avoiding its current destructiveness. Please tell us
> >how so. We're willing to listen.
> >
> >Tony
> >_________________________________
> >
> >Thank you Tony. I don't know about Aaron but I am not particularly
> >interested in the finer points of Marxist (or any other) theory or
> >theology. They would only be of value if they could offer a demonstrable
> >and practical way of avoiding the crash - which, although it sometimes
> >seems most contributors have forgotten - is the whole point of this
> >group (as far as I know).
> >
> >Having been on the group for a few weeks, it seems to me that in spite
> >of Mark's good efforts to keep discussion more or less on topic and
> >presented in a reasonably positive manner, it might nevertheless be a
> >good idea for the group to split into two separate e-groups: those who
> >want to talk and duel endlessly about theories and theologies and those
> >who are genuinely interested in finding, discussing and positively
> >debating practical and readily understandable ideas and ways of avoiding
> >the crash. Alternatively, perhaps someone already knows of such a group
> >in which case I'll sign up to it.
> >
> >All the best.
> >John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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