I'm sorry that I can't abstract from this long post, but Tony's point of view 
is alienated, apparently, by the very concept of self-reliance. Or perhaps he 
only sees black and white where the rest of us are seeing thousands of shades 
of color and tones. 
Tony, it is not a case of having to do something, but rather preferring to do 
it for oneself, in order to get it right the first time.
Do you really want to trust the state to teach your child ethical values? Do 
you have any children? 
I'm sure I'm mistaking your words to mean that you actually want the 
government to provide you with all the necessities of life. Do you want it to 
tell you what to think, as well? I'm getting the impression that this is the 
case. I suspect you have never lived in a totalitarian household. Strident? 
not really, more like Petulant.
Joan

In a message dated 8/30/00 6:30:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

<< 
 I don't see home schooling in such a favorable light.      This is just
 another case of a society that doesn't want to do anything of public
 benefit.      Now, individuals have to take it amongst themselves to
 educate their children?    What ever happened to the idea that society
 has some responsibilties to fulfill?
 
 What a nice green space?    The hell with free, clean, and enjoyable
 parks.      Go buy your own green piece of property.
 
 Want child care.     Heck, it's your kid.     Pay for it yourself.
 
 Want decent food?     What's your budget?      Aw, too bad..... have a
 99 cent hamburger instead.     What, don't have that?     Here's a dime,
 now get out of my way.
 
 Want your kid to learn to read?     What, you want government to do
 that?    Take your kid and go fuck yourselves.
 
 Want a neighborhood that's not next to a highway, a refinery, or a
 shopping center?     Stupid You, maybe you should earn a little more.
 We're not responsible for your individual defects.
 
 Sick.... then pay the bill or just die.     It's not the government's
 concern.     You are not your brother's keeper.
 
 I'm amazed that so many on this list, think that ANY problems can be
 solved while negociating with the criminals that run our present
 society.      If we talk about it, it just seems so abstract and
 theoretical.    Jeez!
 
 Capitalism fucks with the lifes of our children.    It's pure ...... to
 think that capitalism can be reformed to do it better in the future.
 Go read a copy of something by Charles Dickens.      How many centuries
 of reform effort do we need?
 
 Reform of capitalism doesn't work.     The big guys want it all or
 nothing.     And they will crash us all before they'll give an inch.
 
 If you want to do something to brake the race downhill, then you have to
 oppose your capitalist government. Wholeheartedly, and not just by
 voting for a Nader or two.
 
 I hope that I have not been too strident or doctrinaire, and that now
 the delicate will have to go elsewhere. 
  >>

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