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From: John Bunzl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 14:11
Subject: Re: [CrashList] the Plan
> Hello Perry,
> You wrote:
> > "that 'plan' is flawed".
>
> I take it you were referring to the Simultaneous Policy. Thank you for
> visiting our website and I will respond to your points beneath each one in
> capital letters for clarity:
> >
> > 1) it requires the voluntary compliance of millions against whose own
best
> > interest it is to comply
> I DON'T BELIEVE THIS ASSERTION IS GENERALLY CORRECT. PLEASE SPECIFY
> PRECISELY WHICH OF THE PROPOSED POLICIES WOULD BE AGAINST THE BEST
INTERESTS
> OF THE MILLIONS EXPECTED TO ADOPT SP.
> >
'which proposal' doesn't matter;
what matters is whether one can get others to do his will - i.e. go along
with, or impliment his 'plan' ; and the only way that can happen, as Jay has
so well pointed out, is through politics : persuasion, coercion or
force...
people are not want to volitionally change their personal ingrained habits
for 'causes'; they do so for selfish personal benefit : food, security, sex
and power
> > 2) there is insufficient time for mega-solutions to be executed before
the
> > crash effects begin
> YOU MAY BE RIGHT, BUT HAVE YOU ANY BETTER IDEA OR SHOULD WE JUST WAIT FOR
> THE CRASH?
yes, #3 below; what some fail to realize is that this snowball is already
rolling; we can either lie down in front of it, get out of the way, or help
push it along
> >
> > 3) the only 'solutions' are local : personal, individual, family, small
> > community; not mega-state or global;
> . I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND.
agreed, so long as that 'open-mindedness' does not include wishful thinking
or false beliefs in the impossible or the unattainable
> >
> > 4) the only effective 'plans' are those not published to the world via
the
> > WWW
> NOT QUITE SURE WHERE YOU'RE GOING HERE PERRY...
anyone who has thought about this for longer than three years knows that
mass action is silly; that the only effective action is private action ; and
for that to be effective, it needs to be kept private...
> >
> > 5) Joan writes:
> > > > ...Any plan is better than no plan, or is it?
> >
> > it isn't .
> >
> > sorry; won't work...
> I REALLY THINK WE ARE HARDLY GOING TO GET VERY FAR WITH SUCH GLIB
> DISMISSALS.
where did you plan to go?
"GLIB"... do you mean : short, sweet, concise, to the point?
while some are proposing to shout from the rooftops to change the world,
others are putting into motion their own carefully considered 'plans'; if
that is being 'glib', so be it!
this IS the 'crashlist' after all, not the 'false-hope list'...
I don't have to agree with everything that pops up on the Net; similarly, no
one has to agree with anything I offer ; that's called exercising one's
freedom to choose - and implies the use of critical thinking...
AS, REQUESTED ABOVE, PLEASE SPECIFY WHICH OF THE PROPOSED
> POLICIES WOULD BE AGAINST THE INTERESTS OF THOSE WHO ARE EXPECTED TO ADOPT
> SP. THEN LET'S HAVE A SENSIBLE DISCUSSION.
> LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU.
> BEST WISHES
> JOHN.
...got wood to chop and water to carry -
Perry
>
>
>
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