embarkadero wrote:
> Rather than adjusting the theory, we are now devaluing nature for being
> arrogant enough to present us with a problem that can't be adjusted to fit
> marxism????
Do you mean nature created marriage licences?
Nature *is* everything in a tautological sense, and it is really silly
to go around whining, everything created everything. But if you
make any kind of distinction at all between humans and nature,
then social relations are human created. And value is *not* a
thing. Yoy can examine a pencil and a mercedes benz physically
from here to eternity and you will not find value in either -- because
it is not an attribute of things, but the name of a social relationship
among people.
Your debate is as stupid as the following:
A. Oranges are round.
B. No, they have skins.
A. No, they grow on trees.
B. No, they are fruit.
A. No, they come in sacks.
B. No, they have a high sugar content.
Only assholes quibble about the *word* "value" in different
contexts.
In the sense it is a useful word in understanding history, and
thus in understanding ourselves and our condition, it names
a social relationship that came into existence with capitalism
(though it has some shadowy existence in some pre-capitalist
formations). It is a technical term in political economy, not
a vague word which means "something good."
Carrol
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