Thanks, Charles. I was aware of the notebooks, but not so much about the
Engles work which I have not studied.
What is important from my perspective is the relative importance given by us
all to "precapitalist formations". Regardless of which early date once
chooses, the ideas of control over nature that come out of early human
culture-building are central to biocentric thought. Perhaps a bit more
emphasized by me than by you guys.
best,
Tom
>From: "Charles Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [CrashList] Common Ground
>Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:53:11 -0500
>
>
>Source of 52,000 years figure for African diaspora
>
>
> >
> >CB: Once again, here is a point at which materialism, historical
> >materialism ,impinges. Actually, in this case, we agree with you. Our
> >perspective on capitalism is based on a theory , historical materialism,
> >which understands it in relation to the whole history of humanity, 52,
>000
> >years, or even earlier. We also give special attention to the rise of
>class
> >exploitative society.
>
>Well, I've actually not encountered any serious discussions by Marx or
>commentators on him that give much weight to the issue that far back,
>
>((((((((((
>
>CB: Check out Engels _The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the
>State_ . Of course, they didn't have the 52,000 years figure. I added some
>more recent info. There is Eleanor Leacock, a modern anthropologist , who
>wrote the intro to Engels book in an International publishers edition to
>update it with 20th Century anthro. The acknowledgement of the long
>history ( but with only 19th Century data) is implicit in Marx and Engels
>approach. Marx wrote some notebooks on precapitalist formations .
>
>(((((((((
>
>
>Further proof based on genetic research in support of the "Out of Africa"
>thesis in a New York Times article seems to demonstrate conclusively that
>homo sapiens moved out of the continent as late as 52,000 years ago.
>
>
>Study Supports Theory That Modern Humans Originated in Africa
>http://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/07/science/07HUMAN-ORIGINS.html
>
>December 7, 2000
>
>By REUTERS
>
>LONDON - The "Out of Africa" theory that modern man evolved there and
>spread across the world got a boost on Wednesday with new research
>tracing humans from diverse ethnic and geographical backgrounds
>back to that continent.
>
>Swedish scientists used mitochondrial DNA -- genetic material in a
>cell that is passed unchanged from mother to child -- from 53
>people to show that the human evolutionary tree is firmly rooted in
>Africa.
>
>``This is the first study in which the genome is being used in a
>sufficiently large number of individuals to come up with very
>strong evidence, in this case supporting the 'Out of Africa'
>theory,'' Professor Ulf Gyllensten said in a telephone interview.
>
>The biologist and geneticist at the University of Uppsala said that
>even scientists who believe modern humans evolved simultaneously in
>several parts of the globe would now have to acknowledge that
>humans originate largely from Africa.
>
>``It could be the end of the argument so far that there is an
>African origin,'' Gyllensten added.
>
>Gyllensten and his colleagues traced the ancestry of 53 people from
>DNA blood samples that were used in another scientific study. The
>people came from different continents and populations.
>
>Because mitochondrial DNA is inherited only via the mother, it is a
>good way to trace genetic lineage.
>
>The results, which are published in the science journal Nature,
>show that all the people tested have origins in Africa and that the
>migration from the continent began 52,000 years ago, not 100,000
>years ago as was previously thought.
>
>``Our results point to something around 52,000 years ago. Other
>estimates have pointed to 100,000 years ago but I think we have
>more accurate information,'' according to Gyllensten.
>
>In a commentary on the research in Nature, S. Blair Hedges, of
>Pennsylvania State University, described the Swedish research as
>the most thorough analysis yet of divergences in human
>mitochondrial DNA.
>
>``The upshot is a robust tree rooted in Africa, which times the
>exodus from Africa to within the past 100,000 years. With this
>result, the pendulum swings further toward the claim that modern
>humans, Homo sapiens, originated in Africa,'' Hedges said.
>
>He added that the evolutionary tree, which has more data than
>similar studies, indicates that some Africans are closer to
>Europeans and Asians than to other Africans.
>
>
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