> Yes. I know. we are back to what you and I do not agree upon. The "system"
> is not capitalism, the "system" in reality is the ecosphere and capitalism
> lives inside of it. Fix capitalism's issues  and you STILL have a problem.

Capitalism doesn't have "issues" to be fixed.  The ecoshpere is incapable of
taking conscious action on its own behalf.  No doubt we live in the material
world--a central tenet--and that the ecoshpere is a key part of it, the
physical context of our fomrs of life.

What we are saying is that there is NO chance of slowing, reversing,
ameiliorating, attenuating THE problem as long as our actions as a society
are determined by the mandates of capitalism--which is a system that can
not-by its very nature-stop doing the damage we decry here.  Either
capitalism goes, or the ecosystem continues in the same direction.  Dumping
capitalism doesn't guarantee we will do anything to save (and if humans
don't save it, who or what can?  God?  Gaia?) what's left, but retaining
capitalism will guarantee that we catagorically can not.


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