Or K2, U2, R2D2 for that matter. On the other hand. As soon as a symbol is used to denote something and is used as a name (and us pronounced) , one may conclude that it has become a part of the vocabulary and thus is a part of a natural language. For a modern language user without a special interest for etymology and language history propria like K2 or Martin are names (words) in the natural language without internal meaning according to my in-house onomasticist Solveig. So the test is in the use and not in the form.
C-E >-----Original Message----- >From: Crm-sig [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stephen >Stead >Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:03 PM >To: [email protected]; [email protected] >Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] More subclasses for E33_Linguistic_Object ? > >Martin or Steve, can you give some examples of Place Names in *unnatural >language*? Yes "K10" > >Stephen Stead >Tel +44 20 8668 3075 >Mob +44 7802 755 013 >E-mail [email protected] >LinkedIn Profile http://uk.linkedin.com/in/steads > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Crm-sig [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Vladimir >Alexiev >Sent: 19 September 2014 10:43 >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] More subclasses for E33_Linguistic_Object ? > >> We use to solve this with multiple instantiation (E49, E33). > >This is a good solution. >We had many examples of multiple instantiation in BM, esp of Events. > >E.g. often an Acquisition is also Transfer of Custody, Part Addition (to the >new collection), Part Removal (from the old collection), maybe even Move. > >> Note that most place names or not language specific. Few bigger places use >to have language variants. > >But I don't think that's a criterion on whether something is a Linguistic >Object! >If it was, every unilingual book without translation would NOT be a >Linguistic Object. > >The criterion is the scope note: Linguistic Object "identifiable expressions >in *natural language* or languages". >Let's consider the clases given by Dan, taking into account the class >hierarchy >http://personal.sirma.bg/vladimir/crm-graphical/#cidoc_class_hierarchy > >- E49_Time_Appellation: is not, eg "20140919" is not in natural language. >This comes from its E50_Date subclass >- E48_Place_Name: I think it is!! > Martin or Steve, can you give some examples of Place Names in *unnatural >language*? > The class name includes "Name", which suggests it is in *natural >language*. > The scope note "particular and common forms of E44 Place Appellation" is >not helpful in making the distinction. > Certainly its superclass E44 Place Appellation is not Linguistic Object, >since it includes Coordinates etc >- E75_Conceptual_Object_Appellation: "specific identifiers of intellectual >products or standardized patterns." > The examples are not linguistic: ISBN 3-7913-1418-1, ISO2788-1986 (E) > >> e.g. "Querelle des Bouffons" > >Dan, you should use E35_Title since P102 has title applies to E70_Thing, >therefore also applies to E28_Conceptual_Object. > >But I fail to see the utility of E75_Conceptual_Object_Appellation: >- for "specific identifiers" use E42 Indentifier >- for names use E35_Title > > > >_______________________________________________ >Crm-sig mailing list >[email protected] >http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig > >_______________________________________________ >Crm-sig mailing list >[email protected] >http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig
