Dear Simon,
Please keep in mind that we do not carry out linguistic interpretations
in the
CRM. How we define a class, here "feature", is only determined by an
objective
behavior that allows useful conclusions in the target discourse.
Michael Jackson's nose was indeed immobile with respect to his head,
just as mine.
Immobility can only be seen wrt to the surrounding matter. The building
is just immobile
wrt the planet/landmass. If we talk about immobility here, immobility
wrt the planet
should be regarded as a special case of immobility with respect to a
larger thing.
A door is typically a mechanical, removable component of a building. I'd
call it an object.
I think we agree that the doorway, regardless of its material, is a
surface pattern of the building structure built for a certain purpose,
or found by chance in the environment (a cave home..). I'd not define it
by stop digging, but by functionality of form.
In the current definition of Physical Feature, this is comprised, as all
holes.
I'd argue that the salient feature of Physical Feature for us is that
removing implies destruction of material substance around it (cutting
etc.), and that it travels together with a larger mobile/movable/moving
body (be it the planet) in a certain position with respect to it. These
would be relevant conclusions for the historical discourse we could rely
on. For instance, the Abu Simbel temple, a cave,
was cut out of the surround rock by going sufficiently deeperinto the
bedrock.
Opinions?
Best,
Martin
On 24/3/2015 6:49 μμ, Simon Spero wrote:
I believe the salient, er, feature, of a man made feature is that it
is formed by modification of some physically existing thing, and
cannot exist entirely separately from that substrate.
Immobility is not the defining characteristic (e.g. the examples of
Michael Jackson's nose in physical feature / man made feature).
[I am not entirely sure how robust the definitions are; the examples
of door and doorway have some concealed metaphysical assumptions. A
door may not be a feature of a building, but it is a feature of the
wood or stone it was made from. A doorway is a hole, and the first
rule of ontologies of holes is "stop digging". The holonyms of door
handles are tricky enough.]
Casati, Roberto and Varzi, Achille, "Holes", /The Stanford
Encyclopedia of Philosophy /(Spring 2014 Edition), Edward N.
Zalta (ed.), URL =
<http://plato.stanford.edu/archives/spr2014/entries/holes/>.
Simon
On Mar 24, 2015 9:19 AM, "Athina Kritsotaki" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
New CIDOC CRM issue
Dear all,
Immobile buildings (graves, rock cut churches, chambers and generally
immobile monuments) are defined as features since they cannot be
separated
from earth and the surrounding matter. The question is should we
regard
all the immobile buildings as E25 Man-made Feature? If the answer is
positive, at that case it is contrary to the examples of the
Coliseum and
the palace of Knossos, which in CRM are referred as instances of E22
Man-Made Object and E19 Physical Object respectively.
So, think about this
Regards,
Athina Kritsotaki
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