Hi Steve,

This was indeed our argument in the past. May be we should revise this position. I'd argue that the separation of built structure from shaping foundations is so fluent, that is is normally undecidable as a criterion. I'd argue that any "moving" of buildings should be regarded as a "reconstruction" or "resurrection" at another side, which had to be shaped anew for that purpose to receive the building, and implies destructive actions at the foundations of the original building at least, and does not follow "natural boundaries" of the building against the ground. I'd argue that we should by rule define such a building as new, regardles how much simiarity and old substance it carries. It was designed to be immobile. Intention is important in our discourse. I'd argue, truely mobile homes are technologically very clearly distinct.

I believe such a decision will make the CRM much clearer...?

Cheers,

Martin
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Buildings that are not carved out of bedrock are considered mobile because experience has shown that we do indeed move them; for example

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a3/Salem_Church_Relocation.JPG/250px-Salem_Church_Relocation.JPG

Hydraulically powered dollies move a historic 19th century brick church in Salem, Massachusetts

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New CIDOC CRM issue

Dear all,

Immobile buildings (graves, rock cut churches, chambers and generally immobile monuments) are defined as features since they cannot be separated from earth and the surrounding matter. The question is should we regard all the immobile buildings as E25 Man-made Feature? If the answer is positive, at that case it is contrary to the examples of the Coliseum and the palace of Knossos, which in CRM are referred as instances of E22 Man-Made Object and E19 Physical Object respectively.

So, think about this

Regards,

Athina Kritsotaki

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