Here my scope note:

     Pxxx has symbolic content

Domain:             E90 Symbolic Object
<#_E2_Temporal_Entity>

Range:E62 String

Quantification:many to many (0,n:0,n) ??

Scope note:This property associates  an instance of E90 Symbolic Object with a complete, identifying representation of its content in the form of an instance of E62 String. This property only applies to instances of E90 Symbolic Object that can be represented completely in this form. The representation may be more specific than the symbolic level defining the identity condition of the represented. This depends on the type of the symbolic object represented. For instance, if a name has type "Modern Greek character sequence", it may be represented in a loss-free Latin transcription, meaning however the sequence of Greek letters. As another example, if the represented object has type "English words sequence", American English or British English spelling variants may be chosen to represent the English word "colour" without defining a different symbolic object. If a name has type "European traditional name", no particular string may define its content.


Examples:


* The materials description (E33) of the painting (E22)  _/has symbolic content/_ “Oil, French Watercolors on Paper, Graphite and Ink on Canvas, with an Oak frame.”

* The title (E35) of Einstein’s 1915 text (E73) _/has symbolic content/_ “Relativity, the Special and the General Theory“

* The story of Little Red Riding Hood (E33) _/has symbolic content/_ “Once upon a time there lived in a certain village …”

* The inscription (E34) on Rijksmuseum object SK-A-1601 (E22) _/has symbolic content/_ “B”



On 9/17/2018 10:38 PM, Robert Sanderson wrote:

Examples I have a lot of!

How about …

* The materials description (E33) of the painting (E22)  _/has symbolic content/_ “Oil, French Watercolors on Paper, Graphite and Ink on Canvas, with an Oak frame.”

* The title (E35) of Einstein’s 1915 text (E73) _/has symbolic content/_ “Relativity, the Special and the General Theory“

* The story of Little Red Riding Hood (E33) _/has symbolic content/_ “Once upon a time there lived in a certain village …”

* The inscription (E34) on Rijksmuseum object SK-A-1601 (E22) _/has symbolic content/_ “B”

Rob

*From: *Crm-sig <[email protected]> on behalf of Richard Light <[email protected]>
*Date: *Monday, September 17, 2018 at 12:09 PM
*To: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]>
*Subject: *Re: [Crm-sig] NEW ISSUE: symbolic content

Rob,

Absolutely.  So now we need to draft the text to describe this property, in suitably generalized terms, for the CRM, and then update our RDF documentation to say exactly how it is to be used in that context.  Perhaps we should start with some examples?

Richard

On 17/09/2018 19:49, Robert Sanderson wrote:

    Thank you, Martin! I think this is exactly what we need ☺

    Rob

    *From: *Crm-sig <[email protected]>
    <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of Martin Doerr
    <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
    *Date: *Friday, September 14, 2018 at 10:23 AM
    *To: *"[email protected]" <mailto:[email protected]>
    <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
    *Subject: *[Crm-sig] NEW ISSUE: symbolic content

    Dear All,

    I propose a new property of Symbolic Object : "has symbolic
    content : String" , in RDFS subproperty of rdfs:value.

    The "level of symbolic specificity" by which the String is
    interpreted should conform to the type of the Symbolic Object.

    Best,

    Martin

    On 9/14/2018 7:54 PM, Richard Light wrote:

        On 13/09/2018 20:57, Martin Doerr wrote:

            Dear Richard,





                    What we need, to my opinion, is a property of
                    Symbolic Object we may call it "has symbolic
                    content" or "has symbolic content inline" or
                    anything better, which defines that the symbolic
                    content *is identical to* the Literal, *abstracted
                    *to the "level of symbolic specificity" that the
                    Literal implies and that conforms to the identity
                    condition of the Symbolic Object, i.e., characters
                    of a certain script, or whatever. That would make
                    the meaning of the "value" unambiguous.

                Again, I'm in complete agreement with this line of
                thought.  One decision we should make is whether this
                property forms part of the generic CRM framework, or
                if it is to be an implementation-specific property
                which only appears in our RDF implementation of the
                CRM.  My instinct is for it to go into the CRM proper:
                the treatment of Symbolic Object and its subclasses
                would I think be made clearer by the addition of this
                property.

            For CRM proper!

        OK: perhaps we should start a new issue to address this?




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