Dear Maria, all the problem comes from the fact that the CRM usually models what humans DO, not what they ARE. To model the latter, it is therefore necessary to introduce an event in which the person participates, as Thanasis suggested. What he proposes is correct, but considering a language instrumental to the activity of learning it sounds a bit awkward to my ear: common sense would consider so a handbook, an app, a teacher etc. Also, such activity may be problematic with native languages where an intentional action (= activity) is difficult to attribute to a few months old baby.
>From your description I believe that you are interested in documenting the >factual knowledge of a language, not that/how it was learnt, so I suggest the >following approach. In this specific case you might use membership in an E74 Group, similar to what is suggested in the scope note of E74 for ‘nationality'. Thus you would have very large groupings of speakers of different languages, and speaking one of them would correspond to being member of that specific group, e.g. Maria P107 is member of E74 Group 'Portuguese speakers’. Incidentally, this option would also enable you (if you wish) to distinguish among the levels of knowledge of that language via P107.1 kind of member E55 Type ’native speaker’. Thus, also the following would hold for you: Maria P107 is member of E74 Group ‘English speakers’, but with P107.1 kind of member E55 Type ’second language speaker’. Further flexibility can be introduced with this P107.1 if required, like “writer”, “translator”, etc. Best Franco Prof. Franco Niccolucci Director, VAST-LAB PIN - U. of Florence Scientific Coordinator ARIADNEplus - PARTHENOS Editor-in-Chief ACM Journal of Computing and Cultural Heritage (JOCCH) Piazza Ciardi 25 59100 Prato, Italy > Il giorno 23 ago 2019, alle ore 16:17, Maria Jose de Almeida > <[email protected]> ha scritto: > > > Dear all, > > As some of you may know, I’m working in the Portuguese National Archives an > we are building a new data infrastructure using CIDOC-CRM for archival > description. > When describing biographical information it’s common to state that some > person was fluent in some language, or languages, apart from his/her native > one. Using current archival descriptions standards [ISAD(G) 3.2.2; EAD > <bioghist>] this is represented within a text, usually a very long text > string with information of distinct natures. So far we have been able to > decompose the different elements and represent them adequately as instances > of CIDOC-CRM classes and link them trough the suitable properties. But we are > struggling with this one... > We cannot link a Person (E21) to a language (E56) and neither use multiple > instantiation, as it has been suggested in other cases > (http://www.cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-258-p72-quantification), because Person > (E21) and Linguistic Object (E33) are disjoint. > The only way around I can think of is to consider someone’s speech as a > linguistic object and state that that person participated in the creation of > that linguistic object. > But it seams a rather odd solution as we would have to crate individuals for > someone’s speech in Portuguese, in French, in Russian, etc. and describe them > in a very broader manner. Because when it is stated that a person is fluent > in any of those languages, typically what is meant is that that person could > interact with other speakers of the same language, mainly trough an oral > discourse, or read written documents. Not exactly the same as creating > documents in a foreign language, situation which is much more straightforward > to represent. > > Any thoughts that may help us? > Thanks! > > -- > Maria José de Almeida > Técnica Superior > > Direção de Serviços de Inovação e Administração Eletrónica > Telefone (direto): 210 037 343 > Telefone (geral): 210 037 100 > [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Crm-sig mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig
