Dear All,

Actually the class was also designed for cutting parts from archaeological objects, natural history stuff etc. We had a long discussion if, in the very instant, a part is broken from a natural object, e.g. for sampling, the diminished becomes "human made". We later ultimately decided that this violates identity criteria of classes. It just leaves a human-made feature on a natural object.

Therefore, we need to revise wherever this logic had been applied before.

Best,

Martin


On 11/30/2021 11:25 PM, Robert Sanderson via Crm-sig wrote:

Ahh, thank you, I understand now. Well, the scope notes of the various classes and properties should be improved to make that clear if it's the case. And then we would need to have the discussion about how to remove fragments from meteorites, so I hope that's _not_ the case :D

R


On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 3:59 PM Athanasios Velios <[email protected]> wrote:

    I completely understand the reasoning and I agree that intuitively a
    tree with a broken branch is a diminished thing. It is just that the
    scope note and all of the examples in E80 Part Removal are for
    Human-Made things so I worry that the class has been designed for
    Human-Made things only, i.e. breaking off the original branch may
    not be
    E80. Part Addition and Part Removal are designed to allow us to track
    the use of a component integrated intentionally in multiple
    objects over
    its history, so it may be that a thing needs to be added before it
    can
    be removed. If we care about the tree prior to cutting the branch
    then
    it may be only a modification. Am I taking it too far?

    Having said that, pushing the property higher in the hierarchy,
    although
    I am told we should avoid it in general, in this case it may not
    cause
    too many problems.

    T.

    P.S. Amazingly, the inconsistency between the scope note and property
    range existed since version 3.4.


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