No, I disagree. I don't think that a job app is interesting enough to get anyone excited.
Kind regards from Heinz -- Dr. Heinz M. Kabutz (Maximum Solutions) Sun Java Champion Author of "The Java(tm) Specialists' Newsletter" <http://www.javaspecialists.co.za/> Tel: +27 (83) 340-5633 > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Silberbauer > Sent: 15 February 2006 09:39 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CTJUG Forum] Re: Java Developer needed > > > > So far the jug has one open app (job site) - lets improve on that! > > I call a meeting for 1 March (public holiday) to take this further, > details at the end of the week. > > Brian > > On 2/15/06, Dr Heinz M. Kabutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I'm surprised that Cape Technikon graduates would not have > > work experience. When I was young *cough cough* they used > > to force Cape Tech students to work in companies as part of > > their studies. What happened to that? > > > > So we have companies looking for Java programmers, and Java > > programmers sitting at home? Strange situation. Not good > > for anyone actually. > > > > How about building something as a JUG - all those who are > > currently not doing anything productive? Then you can > > point to what you have done online or as an application > > and prove that you have to skills to do the job? You might > > know programmers from Cape Tech that are sitting around > > hoping for some cool work. If we get them onto the JUG and > > build something useful, then they will get exposure and have > > some fun. > > > > I would be willing to be involved in something like that, > > but I cannot drive the project forward. > > > > Any volunteers who have the time and energy? > > > > Kind regards from > > > > Heinz > > -- > > Dr. Heinz M. Kabutz (Maximum Solutions) > > Sun Java Champion > > Author of "The Java(tm) Specialists' Newsletter" > > <http://www.javaspecialists.co.za/> > > Tel: +27 (83) 340-5633 > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [email protected] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Clint Lewis > > > Sent: 15 February 2006 08:28 > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [CTJUG Forum] Re: Java Developer needed > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dr.. > > > > > > I have a few friends that graduated end of last year and > middle last > > > year at Cape Technikon and they have been at home ever > since, Why???? > > > No work experience and companies are not willing to take > 3 months and > > > give these guys some training, however they studied java. > > > > > > Most graduates that I have spoken to are willing to take > any Java job > > > and stay with the company for 2 years or more since it > their first job > > > but companies are not willing to train these guys since > they say that > > > they will leave them 3 months later as soon as they get work > > > experience on the CV. > > > > > > The major problem here is, certain companies not willing > to invest in > > > their staff, or maybe only invest in certain staff along certain > > > criteria, but that is another discussion at another time. > > > > > > On 2/14/06, Java Mad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > and another thing > > > > shortage of skills is just an illusion in your mind Dr. > > > > > > > > One thing i can tell you is that they teach Java at both > > > Universities and > > > > Technicons > > > > plus private institutions, CPUT event moved on to teach > C# and i was > > > > suprised about that. > > > > > > > > So tell me how many gratuduates are there over the past > > > years that were > > > > trained > > > > in Java. Tell me how many university,technikon,college > > > students are there > > > > that > > > > did a project whether big or small at > university,tech,college level. > > > > > > > > Please tell me that Doctor and ill be satisfied. > > > > You make it sound that its only white graduates that do > > > Java at these > > > > institutions > > > > Well to tell the truth thats BULL. > > > > > > > > "Dr Heinz M. Kabutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Java Mad, > > > > > > > > I'm still seeking an answer to the mystery of why there are > > > no available > > > > skills here in Cape Town. Gauteng seems to have the > same problem. > > > > > > > > Prove me wrong. No problem. But give me an explanation > > > that makes sense... > > > > Kind regards from > > > > > > > > Heinz > > > > -- > > > > Dr. Heinz M. Kabutz (Maximum Solutions) > > > > Sun Java Champion > > > > Author of "The Java(tm) Specialists' Newsletter" > > > > <http://www.javaspecialists.co.za/> > > > > Tel: +27 (83) 340-5633 > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [email protected] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Behalf Of Java Mad > > > > Sent: 14 February 2006 16:03 > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: [CTJUG Forum] Re: Java Developer needed > > > > > > > > > > > > Im gona prove you wrong Heinz.... > > > > Like you said here is no skills > > > > Ive got 1.5 years experience > > > > Im not Black neither White maybe Khoi-San, San, not > even Malaysian > > > > The second minority > > > > Still stuck somewhere in between... a proud south african > > > > > > > > > > > > But still bet a white person will get the post if Riaan > > > will tell the truth > > > > about the outcomes of the post > > > > > > > > Riaan Koegelenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Heinz > > > > > > > > I am not sure, but the client, for whom we are going to do > > > > the contract, has requested a BEE appointment. I would > > > > therefore think that they are quite serious about it. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Riaan > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:11:01 +0200 > > > > "Dr Heinz M. Kabutz" wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Hi Riaan, > > > > > > > > > >we had an interesting discussion the other day on CTJUG > > > > >where I was shot down for suggesting that it is getting > > > > >more difficult for white males to get Java development > > > > >work and that this is one of the reasons that we are > > > > >experiencing a shortage of skills in Cape Town. > > > > > > > > > >In this particular job, how critical is it that the > > > > >person be black? > > > > > > > > > >Kind regards from > > > > > > > > > >Heinz > > > > >-- > > > > >Dr. Heinz M. Kabutz (Maximum Solutions) > > > > >Sun Java Champion > > > > >Author of "The Java(tm) Specialists' Newsletter" > > > > > > > > > >Tel: +27 (83) 340-5633 > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > > > For super low premiums, click here > http://www.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm > > > > > > > > http://www.webmail.co.za the South African FREE email service > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Yahoo! Mail > > > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Kind Regards, > > > Clint Lewis > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Brian Silberbauer > Consultant > > +27 (0)83 566 2705 > skype: brian.silberbauer > >
