Hi Robert,

Is you the company you working for looking for any new people, fresh
from the crop developer from Cape Technikon. I could suggest one of my
friends to come into just to meet with you guys, have and informal
chat?

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Kind Regards,
Clint Lewis

On 2/15/06, Robert Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> My company does exactly the same, but I found Riaan's stats a bit warped, I
> have found that about 1 in 10 applicants submits the project!!(honestly) We
> also interview only fresh java programmers as part of a new policy; we have
> enough skill and leadership inhouse already, we'd rather train new blood
> rather than get stuck with old hands that are stuck in their ways and that is
> not willing to adapt to new ideas and technologies. They just stuck.
>
> O, and yes, we do the clique thing, we get the young guys to introduce their
> project partners(in tech) to us. We take them through the same tests and see
> if they are our type of employee.
>
> What tests do we give them? We make them follow the instructions on
> www.gentoo.org and install a linux box, with various packages that they will
> use every day. Why do we do this? Some interviewers like to stress out a
> young guy with his superior java knowledge, this is wrong and pointless. In
> Technikon you are going to do 6 subjects at one time, you do not get to focus
> only on java, otherwise you will never pass! Some people with avg mark on all
> their subjects are more likely to get a job at my company then somebody with
> 90 - 100% java year marks.
>
> Finally, when they get the job, we do skill rotation and after only 1 year
> they will know all the facets of our product and they will have in my
> opionion about 2 years worth of experience.
>
> We also pay well right from the start(so it is not that we are stingy), with
> regular salary increments.
>
> Our situation is probably not ideal for all companies, but it is something
> that works VERY well for us.
>
> Robert
>
> On Wednesday 15 February 2006 08:37, Dr Heinz M. Kabutz wrote:
> > Riaan that is a great policy!
> >
> > What type of project would you as an employer be
> > impressed by?
> >
> > Kind regards from
> >
> > Heinz
> > --
> > Dr. Heinz M. Kabutz (Maximum Solutions)
> > Sun Java Champion
> > Author of "The Java(tm) Specialists' Newsletter"
> > <http://www.javaspecialists.co.za/>
> > Tel: +27 (83) 340-5633
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [email protected]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Riaan Koegelenberg
> > > Sent: 15 February 2006 10:23
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Subject: [CTJUG Forum] Re: Java Developer needed
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > After 20 odd replies on my initial post, I have received
> > > only 2 CV's.
> > >
> > > I wonder, do people really put in an effort to find a job
> > > or do they want someone to just offer them a job that pays
> > > well without having to do much?
> > >
> > > It is my company's policy to require any new applicant to
> > > submit a project that allows us to asses his/her
> > > capabilities.  Stats have shown that if you have 5
> > > applicants, you are lucky if 2 actually submits the
> > > project.
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