[CTJUG Forum] Re: Java Developer needed

Java Mad Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:49:14 -0800

You see there Heinz!
Nicely said Fritz....

So we from tech and college are more marketable....

plus dont eva say that the point of learning to learn is to learn yorself

neway...You see the difference what i think between Universities and Technikon,Colleges is this

Universities : Go there and just do THEORY,RESEARCH pass get degreed

and be a zero when you find a job......

Now when you get the job... you find it difficult to relate to programming

And get a easy job.... become an Analyst or Project Manager

Technikons/Colleges : Now they are the WORKING HORSES of the INDUSTRY

he you go and they teach or you learn

THEORY,PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES, RESEARCH,

and yes im doing research in my BTECH year.

get an National Diploma enter the marketplace

And be a BOMB why... becos we were thought to

FIND THE SOLUTION AND TO FIX THE PROBLEM,

NOT TO DO RESEARCH ON WHY THE PROBLEM EXIST.

and afer a while we become ANALYST/DEV or more so

PROJ MAN

GMail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Dear Java Mad,

I am just starting my honours degree in ComSci at UCT; no they didn't ever teach us HTML or any scripting language as part of our 3 year undergraduate degree, but yes, they expected us to use them. As for AWT and Swing, we got about a week of teaching on them in first year, and since then we have had to use them in various projects. All the other web-based stuff, well, we spent about six weeks on the theory, and then had to do a (admittedly small) project that put it all into practise.

The point of a Comsci degree does not appear to be to learn about technologies. It instead seems to be "learning how to learn". I don't think there is anyone who graduated with me last year who does not know how to program; but we would (will) all have to spend some time getting to our feet in the marketplace. Give them two months to get to grips with the things they haven't seen before, and the skills they learned at University will prove far more useful than having spent three years boning up on the super-practical stuff you are talking about.

Regards,

Fritz Meissner

PS. This is not to say that these skills cannot be learned outside of university. Merely to say that there is a point to what I've spent the last three years of my life doing

;-).

I said {

         better in theory and research yes;

         met up with a guy from university in a web development environment

         and he struggle to find out how JSP work let again didnt even know ne HTML

         well my side i was thought a whole lot of practical stuff like

         HTML,Java, Applets, ASP ("oops")

         and from ASP i could relate to JSP

        and from Applets i could relate to Servlets

        so what do they teach at Universities



       public static void main(String[] args) {

         System.out.prinln("i will geuss");

       }

      // probs the apps that run in a DOS window

     // or do they teach AWT and SWING stuff



    so please tell me that



        }
michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

IMO, passing comsci at University level is not a necessary nor a
sufficient condition for making one a good programmer.

I can remember at Uni (I went to Natal-Durban), I used to cringe when
we were assigned group work, because I knew that most of the work would
be done by a few because the rest just wouldn't
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