[CTJUG Forum] Re: Java Developer needed

Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:43:14 -0800

Sorry Antoine filling up your mailbox,
In the future please use a different mailbox for JUNK MAIL i.e if you dont
want your work one to be spammed... although this is not spam
Didnt they teach you that....thats why i use yahoo.com
We just discussing the lack of JAVA skills in RSA
 
But this is a Java forum and some of us like the topic of the shortage of JAVA DEV's
 
Renier.... I totally agree with you PAL is the love of the CAREER and not the INDUSTRY and benefits

Renier Rhode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hehehehe... know THAT feeling... your arrogance also gets kicked out of you in your 1st month at your 1st job...

Damn, the last time I've seen this heated a discussion was when I questioned JDO vs Hibernate... ( and lest not we forget the IDE wars... :) )

But this is good, why else do we have a Forum...

I have learned the following in IT :

You HAVE to love what you do for a living,
if you do, you will have passion for your job.
You will have an insatiable desire to learn new technologies and have more pride in your work.

The skills and the money paid for said skills will inevitably follow.

( Hence my wife telling met at 23:00 at night to go to sleep cos
the tickety-tickety-tickety of me fiddling with something on my laptop is keeping her awake :) :) :) )..

Suppose this goes for ANY career you choose.

I've also encountered countless people who got into IT because their parents pushed them into IT,
since they want to see their offspring have the best possible career. I get this question all the time from family and friends
who want to send Jr. off to Uni or Tech to go study "IT". And it's frightening how many times you speak to Jr. and discover
they're not really "into" computers.

I remember a clear distinction in my 3rd year Comp Sci class between the guys who where there who LOVED it and the ones who where just there.

( Usually easily distinguished by lack of good shaving habits, red eyes from last nites all-nighter, and old t-shirts and jeans and 90% of the time glasses ) :) :)

I guess the point I'm trying to make is, you have to LOVE this job, or it WILL get the better of you, and you're attitude will in all likelihood get warped, not because of the industry, but because YOU are not right for the industry.

Maybe I'm wrong? Any takers?

Cheers,
Renier
( a.k.a. self confessed geek )

Dr Heinz M. Kabutz wrote:
I think that the greatest benefit of university is that you get your arrogance hit out of you in the first semester....
 
Kind regards from

Heinz
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Java Mad
Sent: 16 February 2006 09:23
To: [email protected]
Subject: [CTJUG Forum] Re: Java Developer needed

You see there Heinz!
Nicely said Fritz....
So we from tech and college are more marketable....
plus dont eva say that the point of learning to learn is to learn yorself
 
neway...You see the difference what i think between Universities and Technikon,Colleges is this
 
Universities : Go there and just do THEORY,RESEARCH pass get degreed
                    and be a zero when you find a job......
                    Now when you get the job... you find it difficult to relate to programming
                    And get a easy job.... become an Analyst or Project Manager
 
Technikons/Colleges : Now they are the WORKING HORSES of the INDUSTRY
                                 he you go and they teach or you learn 
                                 THEORY,PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES, RESEARCH,
                                 and yes im doing research in my BTECH year.
                                 get an National Diploma enter the marketplace
                                 And be a BOMB why... becos we were thought to
                                 FIND THE SOLUTION AND TO FIX THE PROBLEM,
                                 NOT TO DO RESEARCH ON WHY THE PROBLEM EXIST.
                                 and afer a while we become ANALYST/DEV or more so
                                 PROJ MAN
 
GMail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dear Java Mad,
 
I am just starting my honours degree in ComSci at UCT; no they didn't ever teach us HTML or any scripting language as part of our 3 year undergraduate degree, but yes, they expected us to use them. As for AWT and Swing, we got about a week of teaching on them in first year, and since then we have had to use them in various projects. All the other web-based stuff, well, we spent about six weeks on the theory, and then had to do a (admittedly small) project that put it all into practise.
 
The point of a Comsci degree does not appear to be to learn about technologies. It instead seems to be "learning how to learn". I don't think there is anyone who graduated with me last year who does not know how to program; but we would (will) all have to spend some time getting to our feet in the marketplace. Give them two months to get to grips with the things they haven't seen before, and the skills they learned at University will prove far more useful than having spent three years boning up on the super-practical stuff you are talking about.
 
Regards,
Fritz Meissner
 
PS. This is not to say that these skills cannot be learned outside of university. Merely to say that there is a point to what I've spent the last three years of my life doing
;-).

I said {
         better in theory and research yes;
         met up with a guy from university in a web development environment
         and he struggle to find out how JSP work let again didnt even know ne HTML
         well my side i was thought a whole lot of practical stuff like
         HTML,Java, Applets, ASP ("oops")
         and from ASP i could relate to JSP
        and from Applets i could relate to Servlets
 
        so what do they teach at Universities
       
       public static void main(String[] args) {
         System.out.prinln("i will geuss");
       }
 
      // probs the apps that run in a DOS window
     // or do they teach AWT and SWING stuff
   
    so please tell me that
         
        } 
michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

IMO, passing comsci at University level is not a necessary nor a
sufficient condition for making one a good programmer.

I can remember at Uni (I went to Natal-Durban), I used to cringe when
we were assigned group work, because I knew that most of the work would
be done by a few because the rest just wouldn't
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