In tech I learnt how valuable a mail filter can be. Robert
On Thursday 16 February 2006 08:08, Java Mad wrote: > You not getting the point Doc.... > what im saying at technikons they dont teach you technologies > They teach you to FIND THE PROBLEMS AND FIX THE PROBLEMS firstly > How to design software using psuedo, flowchart, ERD, Nazzi Sneiderman > Charts the works.... looking at program flow.... analysing problems > > and then we use these skills we learned there and proving it right with > Different Technologies Which therefore expose you to different > languages.... > That that means that you can relate to ne language for example > its Syntax.... becos i was exposed in my first year in Pascal > i found the syntax easy in VB but didnt understand the concept of VB > when i understood VB i found it easy do develop in JavaScript > wheter it is for the Netscape or IE or other browser DOM using DHTML; > > Becos i also did and proved and solved solution in C i found object > orientation programming in JAVA, C++ easy becos of syntax and style.... > > Thats what i was saying... we are more TECHNICALLY EQUIPPED i.e > - promblem identifications, solutions and research > - using different tools to solve problems > - we think at the end-of-the-day-like-a-machine > > "Dr Heinz M. Kabutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think that the greatest benefit of university is that you get your > arrogance hit out of you in the first semester.... > > Kind regards from > > Heinz > -- > Dr. Heinz M. Kabutz (Maximum Solutions) > Sun Java Champion > Author of "The Java(tm) Specialists' Newsletter" > <http://www.javaspecialists.co.za/> > Tel: +27 (83) 340-5633 > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Java Mad Sent: 16 February 2006 09:23 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CTJUG Forum] Re: Java Developer needed > > > You see there Heinz! > Nicely said Fritz.... > So we from tech and college are more marketable.... > plus dont eva say that the point of learning to learn is to learn yorself > > neway...You see the difference what i think between Universities and > Technikon,Colleges is this > > Universities : Go there and just do THEORY,RESEARCH pass get degreed > and be a zero when you find a job...... > Now when you get the job... you find it difficult to > relate to programming And get a easy job.... become an Analyst or Project > Manager > > Technikons/Colleges : Now they are the WORKING HORSES of the INDUSTRY > he you go and they teach or you learn > THEORY,PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES, RESEARCH, > and yes im doing research in my BTECH > year. get an National Diploma enter the marketplace And be a BOMB why... > becos we were thought to FIND THE SOLUTION AND TO FIX THE PROBLEM, NOT TO > DO RESEARCH ON WHY THE PROBLEM EXIST. and afer a while we become > ANALYST/DEV or more so PROJ MAN > > GMail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Java Mad, > > I am just starting my honours degree in ComSci at UCT; no they didn't > ever teach us HTML or any scripting language as part of our 3 year > undergraduate degree, but yes, they expected us to use them. As for AWT and > Swing, we got about a week of teaching on them in first year, and since > then we have had to use them in various projects. All the other web-based > stuff, well, we spent about six weeks on the theory, and then had to do a > (admittedly small) project that put it all into practise. > > The point of a Comsci degree does not appear to be to learn about > technologies. It instead seems to be "learning how to learn". I don't think > there is anyone who graduated with me last year who does not know how to > program; but we would (will) all have to spend some time getting to our > feet in the marketplace. Give them two months to get to grips with the > things they haven't seen before, and the skills they learned at University > will prove far more useful than having spent three years boning up on the > super-practical stuff you are talking about. > > Regards, > Fritz Meissner > > PS. This is not to say that these skills cannot be learned outside of > university. Merely to say that there is a point to what I've spent the last > three years of my life doing ;-). > > > I said { > better in theory and research yes; > met up with a guy from university in a web development > environment and he struggle to find out how JSP work let again didnt even > know ne HTML well my side i was thought a whole lot of practical stuff like > HTML,Java, Applets, ASP ("oops") > and from ASP i could relate to JSP > and from Applets i could relate to Servlets > > so what do they teach at Universities > > public static void main(String[] args) { > System.out.prinln("i will geuss"); > } > > // probs the apps that run in a DOS window > // or do they teach AWT and SWING stuff > > so please tell me that > > } > michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > IMO, passing comsci at University level is not a necessary nor a > sufficient condition for making one a good programmer. > > I can remember at Uni (I went to Natal-Durban), I used to cringe when > we were assigned group work, because I knew that most of the work would > be done by a few because the rest just wouldn't > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! 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