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In a message dated 12/8/03 9:20:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



Kris,



I agree with your statement in the last paragraph that the�War Party is growing desperate and�may stage acts of terrorism to try to reignite war hysteria in the U.S.� I've been expecting that ever since 9/11.



What I have trouble believing is that Rove, Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney went into the Iraq War with the certain expectation of failing and being disgraced.� Have I misunderstood your argument here?� Is that what you and Jim Rarey believe?

McFraud, whilst, I have profound respect for Jim, why do you try and link our beliefs. Jim and I are quite capable of thinking for ourselves. You seem to think that the folks you named are in charge. Both Bush and Cheney's grandfathers were employed by the same man - a Democrat, no less.
Public pronouncements are meant to decieve.  I say that yes, these guys go to war for more than mom, flag and apple pie. and winning is a matter of public relations. Japan looted Asia of billions of loot and paid NO reperations. Have you ever read the Secret Treaty of Fort Hunt?



When I look at the surpassing egos of these four gentlemen, it is difficult for me to believe that they would deliberately set themselves up to suffer public ruin.� The experience of that would be excruciatingly painful for them.� This is where my sense of psychological reality collides head on with some conspiracy theories.


So you hold hostage history to your perceived realities of four guys ego's.  Was it their ego's that got them there or a powerful cabal that plays to the house for the house?



To believe that the Bush administration went into the Iraq War knowing that it would lose, I would need to see some convincing documentary proof.� Speculation or theory alone wouldn't make the case for me.


So what documentary "proof" do you have for your conspiracy theory.

Peace,

Om
K






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