Re: [CTRL] Gingrich: U.S. Went Off a Cliff in Iraq (DU)

[Sean McBride]

-Caveat Lector- Jim,   I never believe in taking public pronouncements at face value.  I'm always looking for solid documentation that contradicts or undercuts public pronouncements.   That Newt Gingrich, Wesley Clark and others are political opportunists who can reverse their positions at the drop of a hat due to changing circumstances is obvious.  I don't dispute that.   What I was questioning was the thesis that the Bush administration went into the Iraq War with the deliberate intention of losing it, as part of a pre-planned CFR Hegelian dialectic of some kind.  To support that thesis, I would need to see some evidence.  Rove, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are not gentlemen who like to lose or look like losers in the public eye.   Smart Republicans have begun to realize that the Iraq War is a mess and a political disaster.  They are rapidly repositioning themselves to accommodate that reality.  The really smart Republicans opposed the war in the first place.   I also agree that the CFR, at the top, is enormously powerful, and tries to control all sides of every argument in both major parties.  This doesn't mean that the CFR manipulated a scheme to deliberately lose the war.  No doubt, however, the CFR is quick on its feet in adjusting to the reality of the loss of the war.  Bush, for the CFR, is perfectly disposable, as is any president.  The CFR as a whole always seems to land on its feet, regardless of what happens.  It was cunningly designed that way.   ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Rarey To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Gingrich: U.S. Went Off a Cliff in Iraq (DU) -Caveat Lector- Sean,   Kris observed, "Public pronouncements are meant to deceive." He is absolutely on target. My problem with most of your posts is that you insist we take the public pronouncements of these characters at face value.   My comment on Newt Gingrich was to point out a tactic the CFR crowd uses over and over. That is to obtain the leadership of both groups in important disputes. Where was Gingrich when the Iraq war resolution was going through congress? Was he distracted by the sniper coverage as was most of the nation? Now Gingrich acts like he wants to be a leader of the anti-war movement.   Another prime example of this tactic is George Soros. He is not just another member of the CFR, he sits on its board of directors. Now he is trying to buy the leadership of the "anti-Bush" crowd. Where was Soros when the CFR was putting Bush into office?   The "good" cops like Gingrich and Soros (and Wesley Clark) don't appear on the scene until it is obvious there is significant public opinion against the "bad cops."   We see the same tactic used in the environmental movement with the NWO crowd taking over groups like the Sierra Club, and the Nature Conservancy while CFR member Mikhail Gorbachev starts up Green Cross.   \It's like a football game where one team is ripping off gains of fifteen yards a play by sending the fullback straight up the middle. They are going to keep doing it until the defense shows it can stop it.   Spare us the public pronouncements of the CFR and NWO crowd. The only thing you can surmise from them is that is what they want us to believe. On rare occasions it might even be the truth   Jim   www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ======================================================================== Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ <A HREF="">ctrl</A> ======================================================================== To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om