Re: [CTRL] Gingrich: U.S. Went Off a Cliff in Iraq (DU)

[Jim Rarey]

-Caveat Lector- Sean,   Kris observed, "Public pronouncements are meant to deceive." He is absolutely on target. My problem with most of your posts is that you insist we take the public pronouncements of these characters at face value.   My comment on Newt Gingrich was to point out a tactic the CFR crowd uses over and over. That is to obtain the leadership of both groups in important disputes. Where was Gingrich when the Iraq war resolution was going through congress? Was he distracted by the sniper coverage as was most of the nation? Now Gingrich acts like he wants to be a leader of the anti-war movement.   Another prime example of this tactic is George Soros. He is not just another member of the CFR, he sits on its board of directors. Now he is trying to buy the leadership of the "anti-Bush" crowd. Where was Soros when the CFR was putting Bush into office?   The "good" cops like Gingrich and Soros (and Wesley Clark) don't appear on the scene until it is obvious there is significant public opinion against the "bad cops."   We see the same tactic used in the environmental movement with the NWO crowd taking over groups like the Sierra Club, and the Nature Conservancy while CFR member Mikhail Gorbachev starts up Green Cross.   \It's like a football game where one team is ripping off gains of fifteen yards a play by sending the fullback straight up the middle. They are going to keep doing it until the defense shows it can stop it.   Spare us the public pronouncements of the CFR and NWO crowd. The only thing you can surmise from them is that is what they want us to believe. On rare occasions it might even be the truth   Jim   ----- Original Message ----- From: Kris Millegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Gingrich: U.S. Went Off a Cliff in Iraq (DU) -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/8/03 9:20:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kris,   I agree with your statement in the last paragraph that the War Party is growing desperate and may stage acts of terrorism to try to reignite war hysteria in the U.S.  I've been expecting that ever since 9/11.   What I have trouble believing is that Rove, Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney went into the Iraq War with the certain expectation of failing and being disgraced.  Have I misunderstood your argument here?  Is that what you and Jim Rarey believe? McFraud, whilst, I have profound respect for Jim, why do you try and link our beliefs. Jim and I are quite capable of thinking for ourselves. You seem to think that the folks you named are in charge. Both Bush and Cheney's grandfathers were employed by the same man - a Democrat, no less. Public pronouncements are meant to decieve.  I say that yes, these guys go to war for more than mom, flag and apple pie. and winning is a matter of public relations. Japan looted Asia of billions of loot and paid NO reperations. Have you ever read the Secret Treaty of Fort Hunt?   When I look at the surpassing egos of these four gentlemen, it is difficult for me to believe that they would deliberately set themselves up to suffer public ruin.  The experience of that would be excruciatingly painful for them.  This is where my sense of psychological reality collides head on with some conspiracy theories. So you hold hostage history to your perceived realities of four guys ego's.  Was it their ego's that got them there or a powerful cabal that plays to the house for the house?   To believe that the Bush administration went into the Iraq War knowing that it would lose, I would need to see some convincing documentary proof.  Speculation or theory alone wouldn't make the case for me. So what documentary "proof" do you have for your conspiracy theory. Peace, Om K   To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om 2"> www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ======================================================================== Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ <A HREF="">ctrl</A> ======================================================================== To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om